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To: Howlin; Deb; kcvl; Mo1; Enchante; nopardons; veronica; KJC1; stocksthatgoup; mewzilla; backhoe; ...
Some more insanity from this lunatic, courtesy of the Alex Jones show and "Prison Planet":

Former CIA Analyst: Government May Be Manufacturing Fake Terrorism

A Government openly promoting torture, A President acting like a King cannot be trusted, must be impeached

Prisonplanet.com | October 19 2005

Ray McGovern, former CIA Analyst during the Regan and Bush 41 regimes, joined Alex Jones on his daily radio show Monday 17th October as part of a round table discussion of issues surrounding the Iraq war and the “war on terror”.

McGovern launched straight into the War in Iraq and suggested that over the last few months there has been a “sea change” in public opinion, and now over two thirds of Americans, according to major opinion polls, are against the war and can now see through the Neo-con Propaganda that so clouded their judgment in the lead up to the war.

McGovern went on to comment that there has built up an ignorant attitude amongst more well to do Americans that the troops dying everyday are expendable. There has been a shut down in the minds of people who cannot place themselves in the shoes of the families who’s sons and fathers and brothers are being needlessly slaughtered for a corrupt elite agenda.

Mr McGovern stated that the war “has nothing to do with democracy or freedom or defending “our way of life”, it is to do with enriching the pockets of those who support this administration.”

Alex then put it to Mr McGovern that Congressman Ron Paul had recently been on the show and said that The Bush Administration was openly trying to set up a martial law police state in America. McGovern responded in the affirmative:

“Well it does seem that those who have his (Bush’s) ear are hell bent on giving away or providing wider responsibilities to our military. Witness what they are talking about now with giving the military primary responsibility for catastrophes, for hurricanes and so forth. Our military has been built up as an instrument of power but has never existed with this kind of potency before, and so we all need to look at this because there are laws against using the military in law enforcement capacities and we need to get to our Congressmen and Senators and say “look enough of this stuff.”

McGovern then moved on to talk about terrorism and the fact that if there was another major attack in the US, it would mean a martial law state (According to General Tommy Franks) and a breakdown in our freedoms.

He amazingly went on to suggest that if another attack took place we should not accept what the government tells us because it could be them carrying out the terror.

“We have to be careful, if somebody does this kind of provocation, big violent explosions of some kind, we have to not take the word of the masters there in Washington that this was some terrorist event because it could well be a provocation allowing them, or seemingly to allow them to get what they want.”

McGovern said he would not put it past the Government to “Play fast and loose” with terror alerts and warnings and even events themselves in order to rally people behind the flag.

Last week we revealed how a major terror alert in New York was outed as a fake, and magically boosted Mayor Bloomberg’s ratings.

Mr McGovern then went on to reveal his opinions on the possible upcoming indictments within the Bush Administration, siding with the view that the truth will out and the Administration will come toppling down because of the way it has continually forged a bedrock of lies to justify the War In Iraq.

But he warned that we have to stay vigilant and continually expose the lies because we no longer have a free mainstream press. If we stop looking they will get away with anything they want.

Mr Govern Stressed that the founders wrote the Constitution with far sighted possibilities in mind, and we may now be at that juncture. The founders provided us with the ability to impeach any Government should it take away our liberties or any President, should he attempt to act like a King or an Emperor.

At this very moment we have a President about to veto a ban on torture. Even at the height of the British Empire torture was still outlawed because it was recognized as the pinnacle of human rights violations. What more does this Administration have to do before we remove it from power?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2005/191005McGovern.htm


2 posted on 05/08/2006 1:57:32 AM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: Sam Hill
You may find this of interest- some "stuff" I pulled off the blogs:

Now the "Rummy flap" makes sense:
http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2006/05/rummy-lied.html

Rummy "lied"

Andrew Sullivan says the man who heckled Rummy was Not some crazed lefty. The man who demanded that Rumsfeld answer the questions we all want to have answered turns out to be the man who gave former president George H. W. Bush his daily intelligence briefing.

No not some crazed lefty. The man was Ray McGovern, who Sweetness and Light noticed was part of Daniel Ellsberg's Truth Telling Project. Here's the relevant blog entry from the Belmont archives:

Sweetness and Light has noticed that the press has quoted two former counterterrorism experts in defense of Mary McCarthy but omitted one interesting detail, which may or may not be relevant. Here's ABC News report quoting the first expert, Ray McGovern to the effect that McCarthy had a higher duty to "defend the constitution".

Then Sweetness and Light notices that both Ray McGovern and Larry Johnson are associated with Daniel Ellsberg's The Truth-Telling Project. For those who are unfamiliar with the name Daniel Ellsberg, here's the Wikipedia entry.

Ray McGovern's role is described on this Truth-Telling Project web page.

Commentary

Watching the video I fully expected Rummy to be massacred inside of McGovern's kill-zone since McGovern had the ability to choose the very specific ground on which to challenge Rumsfeld.

The counterfactual which proves Rumsfeld "lied" is this cited exchange from a DOD briefing:

So now if we compare the statements of Ray McGovern and Donald Rumsfeld side by side, here is what we get:

Ray McGovern Donald Rumsfeld
QUESTION: You said you knew where they were. RUMSFELD: I did not. I said I knew where suspect sites were and –
QUESTION: You said you knew where they were Tikrit, Baghdad, northeast, south, west of there. Those are your words. RUMSFELD: My words — my words were that — no, no, wait a minute, wait a minute. Let him stay one second. Just a second.
 
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The opponents of the Administration have long sought to conflate the two issues; for instance, the Press recast the 9/11 Commission's findings of "no proof of operational coordination" into no link whatsoever. That is a false meme, because the Commission did find quite a few contacts and connections between Saddam's Iraq and Al'Qaeda. This is not an arguable point; this is simply what they found.
 

9 posted on 05/08/2006 2:36:53 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Ping to myself for later read.


12 posted on 05/08/2006 3:09:15 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Sam Hill

This man seems less stable than Cindy the Ditchwitch.


26 posted on 05/08/2006 4:19:24 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: Sam Hill

BTTT


37 posted on 05/08/2006 5:43:06 AM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: Sam Hill; Richard Poe; onyx

Hopefully, some day we will see who has been funding these vile creatures.

My bet is on George $oreA$$ via one of his hate America so called non profits.


39 posted on 05/08/2006 6:33:05 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist homosexual lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: Sam Hill; kcvl; ravingnutter; Mo1

Take a look at Sam's post about Ray McGovern.


46 posted on 05/08/2006 9:42:09 AM PDT by Howlin
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