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To: Larry Lucido
Policies are determined by societies at different times given different conditions. Personally, I care not a whit as I am not long for this world anyway. I would like to see this society survive, but every day I come to the conclusion that the west has decided on collective suicide anyway. If the societal mechanisms. The problem of course is that we are undecided on a future course as we have no consensus even on this thread among conservatives. In a demographic sense the low reproductive rate of native americans, the high immigration rates from non-western countries with uncommon values. The high cost of a declining workforce willing to support an aging population. All these things are cause for concern. When in a crisis societies are sometimes prone to forfeiting some of their "rights" for the collective interest. But where are the limits? We pulled back after the civil war and WWI and WWII. The laws we have on the books right now are mild when compared to those times, but the technology in the hands of the state to limit our freedoms is even greater than it was then. The question in the end is what do we consider more important, our own selfish hedonistic interests? or the long term interests of the survival of western civilization? I am afraid that like the ancient Patricians of old Rome, we are more and more siding with hedonism. One way or the other society will make those choices via the process of the "tyranny of small decisions".



77 posted on 05/07/2006 5:21:34 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Cacique; Petronski

Okay, I didn't find a direct answer in your speech. Yes, different times call for different approaches, yada yada yada.

I'll ask again, is it ever okay to make someone a felon for having non-procreative sex with his wife (i.e, using a rubber, having oral sex, etc, etc)? I say no, and I don't need a paragraph to say so.


79 posted on 05/07/2006 5:26:36 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Cacique
Personally, I care not a whit as I am not long for this world anyway.

So you don't really have a dog in this fight? I would hope so.

The belief that all private actions have public consequences, combined with the belief that all public consequences are subject to public decisionmaking, leads down the dark road to totalitarianism.

83 posted on 05/07/2006 5:31:05 PM PDT by timm22 (Think critically)
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