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So plan “B” is necessary, “more countries in, better”.

Well many Europeans in the West already understood, that they are somehow just sucked out by some of their new "partners". Countries who apply for a EU-membership usually know, what it means in advance. If you join a club you have to accept usually the terms of membership in advance. To act destructive after joining in is simply betrayal. Sorry, but that's the plain truth.

Therefore it is quite likely that the Europeans in the East get what they want. A free trade zone and a quite exclusive club in western Europe, that will keep all those countries in "new" Europe out. Probably sooner than later. I.e. there is already a big countermovement in Germany, the UK and France to accept such "banana republics" like Bulgaria or Romania inside the EU (BTW - there is some reason for this stance). They are suitable for such millitary stuff like NATO, but they do not fit into a alliance like the EU. I doubt that the Bundestag (and some other parliaments in other countries) will wave aside their EU-application. There is already a hot discussion about this issue. You will find out that this is just the beginning. It is really quite naive to think that "old" Europe will accept every pool of BS.

Maybe the possibility of a alliance between those countries west of river Neisse and those east of it is also just a myth. Perhaps we should restrict ourselves simply to good neighbourhood without free trade zones, right of domicile or agro-subsidies. Not funny for Polish farmers and plumbers but good for us Germans. Besides - it works perfectly. Germany has a excellent relationsship with Russia without all this EU-crap. We even build pipelines together.

To act destructive after joining in is simply betrayal. Sorry, but that's the plain truth.

So in your opinion if we would want the EU to become more rightist, decentralized it is destructive act and betrayal?

Beside even if some of our political forces which never supported joining, tried to act destructive then how could it be a betrayal? However it is very unlikely that Samoobrona or LPR will push for withdrawal.

We even build pipelines together.

Go for it, but later do not expect any help from us when they will stop pumping.

To act destructive after joining in is simply betrayal. Sorry, but that's the plain truth.

Can you give some examples of acting destrucively on Poland's part in EU? It is somehow strange that for all nations acting in their interest should be treated as betrayal of EU ideals. You must know well that for Poland betrayal is German government's idea of building a pipeline allowing Russians to terrorize the whole Eastern Europe in the middle of winter. But it is in your interest to have cheaper gas so you don't really care... That's double standards or am I wrong and this is this a manifestation of European ideals? So don't be surprised if Poland in reaction to that will push for alliance with the USA instead of EU. Also it's in our interest to build strong cooperation with smaller countries, similar to our - who know well what word independence means. Balts and Ukrainians finally see now that their friends are not in Berlin and Paris, but in Warsaw. United we stand... For the first time ever in our history it is finally possible. Yes, Polish-German alliance it is a myth - it always has been. Just like the whole EU thing. If people like you lose faith in it what can you expect of others? In other words good luck with the pipeline but farewell to EU-BS.

BTW

German market is not open to Polish workers and will not opened for years but at the same time I see tons of Germans coming to my region looking for cheaper services. Also German farmers would screech if not for Polish season workers during the harvest. Of course you could always import some first rate Turks instead if you want :) The difference between "Old" Europe and "New" Europe is that in 50 years time you will be Islamonazi provinces with burkas, muezzins and minaretes while "New" Europe will still be good, old Europe.