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To: Atlantic Bridge
To act destructive after joining in is simply betrayal. Sorry, but that's the plain truth.

Can you give some examples of acting destrucively on Poland's part in EU? It is somehow strange that for all nations acting in their interest should be treated as betrayal of EU ideals. You must know well that for Poland betrayal is German government's idea of building a pipeline allowing Russians to terrorize the whole Eastern Europe in the middle of winter. But it is in your interest to have cheaper gas so you don't really care... That's double standards or am I wrong and this is this a manifestation of European ideals? So don't be surprised if Poland in reaction to that will push for alliance with the USA instead of EU. Also it's in our interest to build strong cooperation with smaller countries, similar to our - who know well what word independence means. Balts and Ukrainians finally see now that their friends are not in Berlin and Paris, but in Warsaw. United we stand... For the first time ever in our history it is finally possible. Yes, Polish-German alliance it is a myth - it always has been. Just like the whole EU thing. If people like you lose faith in it what can you expect of others? In other words good luck with the pipeline but farewell to EU-BS.

BTW

German market is not open to Polish workers and will not opened for years but at the same time I see tons of Germans coming to my region looking for cheaper services. Also German farmers would screech if not for Polish season workers during the harvest. Of course you could always import some first rate Turks instead if you want :) The difference between "Old" Europe and "New" Europe is that in 50 years time you will be Islamonazi provinces with burkas, muezzins and minaretes while "New" Europe will still be good, old Europe.
20 posted on 05/08/2006 4:35:13 AM PDT by twinself
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To: twinself; Lukasz
Can you give some examples of acting destrucively on Poland's part in EU?

Yep! I can. Just read Lukasz's #9:

The EU is a myth, it is hard to fight with a myths. It is easy to sell something like this to inexpedient, often idealist people from the former communist countries. There is no reason for us to fight with the wind, they will join anyway. So plan “B” is necessary, “more countries in, better”. It will be not the same EU, simply too many groups of interests and the current agenda will be unable to control all these activities.

I wrote that to Lukaz in another thread but in the same coherence:" ...I understand your aim: It could be the same outcome as it already happened to NATO. The more members the less functional. Contemporary NATO is a harmless debating club in the meantime. Maybe its next members will be Albania, Serbia, Azerbaijan, Georiga or Kazakhstan - uuuh I forgot Turkmenistan (sarcasm). Does anybody really think that the old esprit of NATO can be maintained with nations that have absolutely no cultural and ethnical coherence? In Germany we call such a thing simply "Papiertiger" (Paper Tiger)..."

You must know well that for Poland betrayal is German government's idea of building a pipeline allowing Russians to terrorize the whole Eastern Europe in the middle of winter. But it is in your interest to have cheaper gas so you don't really care...

Personally I think that this overpriced (because of the extra cost of being offshore) pipeline was also a betrayal on German gas consumers, since they are those who have to pay the high price for it. Anyway - we do not find the Polish und Ukrainian stance to blackmail Russia to cheaper gas prices by using us Germans very funny. You guys should be mature enough to deal with Russia alone without misusing our relationship unquestioned. Schroeder was a nightmare for our relations - that is for sure, but I do not understand the recent aggressiveness in Poland concerning this issue. This treaty with the Russians was a big fault, but it already happened. Merkel can do nothing since we would break international law and would break treaties with our most reliable supplier for energy. Pacta sunt servanda. Period.

So don't be surprised if Poland in reaction to that will push for alliance with the USA instead of EU.

This is absolutely okay with me. Poland is of course a free nation to do whatever it wants. The relationship with the US is not a antagonism to the one with the EU. Therefore we find it quite strange if there is strong dislike of the EU in political Poland in the meantime although they already signed all treaties and knew exactly in advance what kind of alliance it is. Maybe you simply should leave the EU??! Do not wait and replace it with a closer relation to the US if you think that this is suitable to you.

The difference between "Old" Europe and "New" Europe is that in 50 years time you will be Islamonazi provinces with burkas, muezzins and minaretes while "New" Europe will still be good, old Europe.

If you think so.

22 posted on 05/08/2006 5:42:00 AM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum.)
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