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To: Marine_Uncle
It appears General Hayden, was picked to make the job of CIA Director more palatable with the new rules, being all Intel Agencies now report to the Director of National Intelligence. They no longer control their own budgets, nor have a complete say in where the boundaries are drawn as to what their mission involves.

If the DNI, DIA and other military intelligence organizations begin to assume missions from the CIA, the CIA could at some point be left to wither on the vine and leave the subversive moles with dead telephones. The expanded military agencies could be staffed with vetted personnel, some of which might be transferred from the CIA. This might be the game plan and why we are seeing such a frantic effort by the shadow government to oppose it.

10 posted on 05/07/2006 11:39:37 AM PDT by Ben Hecks
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To: Ben Hecks

I am thinking that Bush emphasizes effective management and a general is a much more experienced manager of a big organization than a congressman. I am also thinking that they have achieved unified operations in Defense and someone who knows that could help break down the silos in intel.


12 posted on 05/07/2006 11:52:13 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Ben Hecks
You may be on to a important point here. As some of us know, and it has been made public, so I say nothing one cannot read elsewhere, SOCOM shall be to an extent performing some duties that formally may have been assigned to the CIA. For example having special teams, perhaps a few members at a given foreign embassy, doing chores not formally handled by attached military personel.
Your analogy to a whithering vine does strike a cord that could not be so far fetched. For the most part one could assume our military folks for the most part really are more loyal, as well as diciplined in adhering to the rules of the road. To darn many academic types in the CIA, which lean or are far left libs. To many connections on the hill and DC in general. Put military folk in that are somewhat isolated from the DC scum pond and perhaps the CIA will eventually turn around. Sort of do their duty. Protect America and it's resources, comes to mind.
13 posted on 05/07/2006 12:08:23 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Ben Hecks

"It appears General Hayden, was picked to make the job of CIA Director more palatable with the new rules, being all Intel Agencies now report to the Director of National Intelligence. They no longer control their own budgets, nor have a complete say in where the boundaries are drawn as to what their mission involves.

If the DNI, DIA and other military intelligence organizations begin to assume missions from the CIA, the CIA could at some point be left to wither on the vine and leave the subversive moles with dead telephones. The expanded military agencies could be staffed with vetted personnel, some of which might be transferred from the CIA. This might be the game plan and why we are seeing such a frantic effort by the shadow government to oppose it."

Your point is well taken and that might be what is happening. If so however, it is a big mistake. Military intelligence is important. So is a separate agency like the CIA. Military intelligence needs to be able to focus on strictly military matters. The military has a certain job. Military intelligence helps them do it. They also have a certain focus of expertise.

When the State Department and the CIA are dysfunctional, it is natural for the military to start trying to take over both functions for themselves. First of all however, they will not be good at them. Second of all, we don't really want our military to start to get that kind of power and scope. They should continue to play their original assigned role---to fight and win wars.

I believe Goss made a good start to cleaning the moles out of the CIA. I don't know if you recall, but he suggested quitting right at the beginning when he saw how bad it all was, and Bush encouraged him to stick with it. Lets not forget, the man is 67 years old. I'm in my mid-50s and I don't make any bones about it---age matters. I suspect he did as much as he felt he could accomplish---but the vital job of cleaning out the CIA must continue, and the vital job of cleaning out the State Department, must be begun at some point.


16 posted on 05/07/2006 2:59:32 PM PDT by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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