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YOUR PAPERS, PLEASE …Is coming national ID 'mark of the beast'?
WND ^ | May 5 06 | Ron Strom

Posted on 05/05/2006 7:21:22 AM PDT by churchillbuff

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To: Disturbin

What happens when they don't need any mark or id?

What happens when a simple instant DNA or Biometric can identify the person instantly? no mark, no papers.


61 posted on 05/05/2006 8:08:20 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: stacytec

I agree it is 'out there', but the FDA in 2004 approved the implantation of RFID chips under the skin of humans. Instead of giving everyone ANOTHER ID card that can be lost or stolen, give them the luxury of simply waving their hand under a scanner for id purposes. No fumbling through the wallet or purse, no misplacing a card, and virtually impossible to steal.
There are high class country clubs around the world that already offer the chip as an option for entrance into the club.
It will be touted as a technological breakthrough for security, and identification. They will talk it up and people will line up.
All I got to say is watch that stock...


62 posted on 05/05/2006 8:08:39 AM PDT by Hambone02
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To: george wythe
In other words, under the guise of National Security, we've found a way to create several additional levels of bureaucracy. That should make everything so much easier.

The new features on currency did not stop counterfeiters. Criminals who want handguns to committ crimes still get handguns.

63 posted on 05/05/2006 8:09:20 AM PDT by Military family member (GO Colts!!)
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To: Ptaz
(I have a hobby....I collect wacky conspiracy theories)

Me, too!

64 posted on 05/05/2006 8:09:22 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 4:6)
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To: sinkspur

I agree that some of them can be goofballs (don't even get me started on the idiotic Left Behind series), but why would you be more concerned about them than those who are actually in power?     

65 posted on 05/05/2006 8:10:49 AM PDT by melancton
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To: shuckmaster
Nor a Thirteenth Floor

The hands of the clock were reaching high
In an old midtown hotel;
I name no name, but its sordid fame
Is table talk in hell.
I name no name, but hell's own flame
Illumes the lobby garish,
A gilded snare just off Times Square
For the maidens of the parish.

66 posted on 05/05/2006 8:11:25 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

That makes me wonder if officials at the top levels of government have tracking devices on them or in them in case of a terrorist attack and a hostage situation involving one of them who could be tortured into giving up information which could sacrifice our national security.


67 posted on 05/05/2006 8:11:30 AM PDT by TheForceOfOne (Free Republic - The pulse of conservative politics, without lame stream media filtration.)
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To: TheForceOfOne

68 posted on 05/05/2006 8:12:39 AM PDT by evets (God bless president George W. Bush!)
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To: sinkspur
Yes, I was asking that with a straight face.

Are you for or against the National ID, and are you for or against the USA Patriot Act?

The true whackjobs are the ones for both of those threats to our constitutional republic and the guaranteed liberty she promises.


69 posted on 05/05/2006 8:13:22 AM PDT by Crispus Attucks Patriot (The first to give his life for your liberty was a Black man!)
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To: churchillbuff

No, no, no. The biblical "mark of the beast" is an embedded finger bar code that allows you to shop and live. It can be turned off at CentComp with dire consequences. Other than that, it make commerce easier, originally assisted with stopping terrorism, and now (2070) is the best totalitarian control mechanism ever invented...


70 posted on 05/05/2006 8:13:58 AM PDT by GOPJ (Islam is a political ideology shielded by the concept of religion -- by Freeper Weegee)
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To: noobiangod

If you are an illegal alien, you can have a bank account, and buy a house without one.


71 posted on 05/05/2006 8:14:41 AM PDT by jeremiah (How much did we get for that rope?)
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To: churchillbuff

I will offer folsk on this thread that an official REAL ID is the governments way of recognizing our individuality. We are all different and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact I pose that this is the very opposite of communism and socialism that seeks to establish that we are all the same.

There is no right not to be ID'd. To me that is a silly thing to even try to say. Everyone on this site has an ID that they were rquired to give up information to gain. I love that little tidbit because it exposes all those that argue against it as people that will do something and then cry about it all day long.

This ID form will not be used to target you for punishment due to race, creed, ethnicity, gender, sexual preference or anything of the kind. This ID will be used to make ordinary functions in society be orderly, organized, and far more efficient than it is today.

SOme say this is the same as Nazi antics. They intentionally miss the fact that the policy the germans employed was to weed out jews for extermination. That is not even close to the purpose of this ID today. I offer that is a very disingeuous argument put forward by people that want to argue something but cannot find a realistic current or valid argument to offer in its stead.

ID is a part of life in 2006 and there is no way to avoid that. It is time that we see this in the eyes of reality and understand that doing that ID ing in the most positive efficient way benefits us all.


72 posted on 05/05/2006 8:14:42 AM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: Military family member
In other words, under the guise of National Security, we've found a way to create several additional levels of bureaucracy. That should make everything so much easier.

The "Patriot" Act, the "real" ID act, HR 4437, etc, are globalists' dreams. These people had these laws in the works for years, but they couldn't pass it in Congress.

The globalists waited for the right "crisis" to emerge, and then they got all their hearts' desires. They were correct in assuming that the American people would become docile as sheep when facing a national security threat.

73 posted on 05/05/2006 8:15:52 AM PDT by george wythe
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To: Crispus Attucks Patriot

Yep.     

74 posted on 05/05/2006 8:16:34 AM PDT by melancton
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To: Alex Murphy
*sigh*

Ya know...the only way this could even be remotely applicable is if the United States government was itself the Antichrist, since the whole point of the "mark" is supposed to be an issue of allegiance...which kinda flies in the face of the typical personification of the Antichrist as being one individual.

75 posted on 05/05/2006 8:16:57 AM PDT by Frumanchu (quod erat demonstrandum)
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To: Hambone02

I've had discussions with others in the security area years ago, IMO the best ID is one that everyone has an is unique -your fingerprint and your iris. They aren't easy to replicate and the technology to ID them has existed for over 30 years. No need for a high-tech gizmo under the skin when all that info can be stored in a centralized database.

I’m not opposed to a better ID system but I never bought into the chip thing as a “good” security feature.


76 posted on 05/05/2006 8:17:09 AM PDT by stacytec (Nihilism, its whats for dinner)
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77 posted on 05/05/2006 8:18:27 AM PDT by evets (God bless president George W. Bush!)
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To: Disturbin

I share the same opinion.
I have not read Revelation in a LONG time, but doesn't it say something about the mark being on one's forehead or palm?


78 posted on 05/05/2006 8:18:39 AM PDT by Muzzle_em (taglines are for sissies)
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To: sinkspur

Actually, if you read some of the writings of the Founding Fathers, this is precisely the main reason the Second Amendment is in there.


79 posted on 05/05/2006 8:20:53 AM PDT by Crispus Attucks Patriot (The first to give his life for your liberty was a Black man!)
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To: churchillbuff

Mark of the Beast is an "H" on the forehead.


80 posted on 05/05/2006 8:21:36 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.)
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