YOUR PAPERS, PLEASE …Is coming national ID 'mark of the beast'?

WND ^ | May 5 06 | Ron Strom

[Crispus Attucks Patriot]

Illegals don't deserve DL's.

They should all be immediately deported.

[Quix]

Will you now compare the rule of law and adherence to it akin to "papers please"???? Sheesh!
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Well, such statements wouldn't be necessary. The electronic readers would already have noted who came and left via whatever portals or electronic check points.

BTW, I suppose you've never heard of the Christian senior level FBI fellow who stumbled on some extermination lists for martial law under the global government . . . his own name was on one of the lists.

Yes, I know . . . the rantings of conspiracy loonies . . . riiiiiggghhhht.

[BlueStateDepression]

If your DNA existed in a database how exactly would they investigate you? By passing you over while looking for the offender?

Health insurance? OK see, you want to hide truth by hiding your identity. If you have a gene that is supposedly higher risk for cancer then ACCEPT it as the TRUTH that it is. You speak loudly with this tidbit and I think you do not even realize what the meaning of your own words.
In this example you seek to defraud the insurance coverage based on the truthfulness of your ID. You sir, seek to hide the truth for your own personal gain...adn to boot...at the expense of others.

I am no fan of the insurance industry, they are by no means truthful, but you seek to go down the very same path they do....lack of truth by deception.

The truth will set you free.

[Crispus Attucks Patriot]

I don't use plastic, and no one but my bank and the IRS knows my SSN.

Like I said. I deal on a strictly cash basis 99% of the time.

[Quix]

If God made you a unique individual why would he want that fact to be hidden?
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I have no clue why you'd think that had anything to do with humility. Besides, as most hereon would likely attest, there's no hiding my uniqueness, regardless of the effort attempted in doing so.

Your question just makes no sense to me, at present. Please feel free to explain.

[BlueStateDepression]

OK then, how do you suspect a government would be funded without taxes? I agree they have gotten out of hand with taxation but to think taxation of any kind is avoidable is a pipe dream.

Absent taxes, how do you pose that our government be funded?

[Crispus Attucks Patriot]

Because in both cases is none of their damn business.

What part of this don't you get?

[BlueStateDepression]

A requirement that social security cards that are made of a durable plastic

OH NO the BIF OIL robber barrons are at it again....the culture of corrupttiiiiiioooonnnnnnn......ROTFLMMFAO.

Just playin' :)

[Quix]

I am not for a forced microchip either, unless of course the context is convisted felons out on parole that limits their movement.
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Glad to realize that.

It's already difficult to do business without a credit or debit card.

Implementation of the SLAG will certainly be voluntary initially. I'm sure you can realize that it's a small step from that to enforced, demanded insertion.

[Crispus Attucks Patriot]

The Fair Tax.

No income or corporate taxes whatsoever.

[george wythe]

When soeone steals your identity and screws up your life for years and years then you come talk to me about liberty.

Unfortunately, the state is partly to blame for identify theft, for plastering my Social Security number all over my driving records and then selling my driving records for pennies on the Internet, along with my date of birth and my middle name.

I requested the state not to share my Social Security number with third parties. Did anyone listen? I still have my driving records sold with my Social Security number in them. The only difference is that at the end of the driving records a clerk added a comment "This driver has requested that his Social Security number be kept private."

Furthermore, when my state switched to a credit-card-type driver's license, the thieves just broke into a driving license office and stole the new machines. When they ran out of supplies, they went back and stole more laminate-type paper.

Only a fool will trust the government to keep his records private. Only a fool will trust the government to issue a tamper-proof document.

The less a government knows about you, the more privacy you have.

[Crispus Attucks Patriot]

Bravo!

[BlueStateDepression]

You seem to contend that you know much more about such things AND are much smarter about what you know than President Eisenhower.

I contend that today's world is not the same world as it was in his time. I contend that context matters. The context of today is not the same as in his time. You really going to make the case that it is the same? I think not, so I will disregard that bit.

The USA military is not my enemy and if you think it is then by all means escape. You are free to do so after all.

I say to you that I am all for you being free to practice your religion. I support that entirely. I say to you that it should not be forced upon anyone and you call stupid...or as you put it ( not as smart as).... Whatever. I do not have the right to push my religion opn you and you do not have the right to push your religion on me. I am sorry you cannot grant me the same respect that I grant you. It says alot about your position that you would do sucha thing.

One can put in place safeguards as this nation has done thruout all its history. Sometimes unforseen examples present themselves and there is a method to deal with them already in place. You are the one seeking tyranny by installing a religion and forcing all people to accept it. OSAMA would be proud on some levels. He wants to do that very thing also, just a different religion.

Having and ID does not equate to abuse. If an ID is abused then we should deal with that. Having the ID istelf is not an abuse.

ANYTHING is open to abuse, I mean ANYTHING. My grass can be abused by the schoolagers coming from across the street. SO WHAT? No schoolagers should be able to walk down my street becasue THEY MIGHT abuse my grass? NO! Deal with the ones that do when they do it.

I've mentioned 2 above. 1) Strengthen the family. 2) Strengthen the belief and practice of Judeo/Christian values.>BR>
Actually you want to accomplish 1) by imposing 2). GTood luck with that.

About the chip, I belive it has its proper place. I sure think it would have been a good thing to have seen jessica lynch with one. Scott micheal Speicher and Michael Durante as well. I know you will SOOOO diagree with that HUH?

Think about your border stance for a minute. You are advocating an ID! A National one! I agree with that entirely.

A sane way to hold employers accountable is to require a valid form of ID that is accurate and checkable. That takes a database to draw upon to check ID presented. If foreign workers are desired then an employer should have to show why Americans are not taking these jobs, I offer that a reality based look at such a thing would show that foreign labor is an attempt to cheat the free market and the forces that guide it. If they can show they offer a wage worth the job as to their profits then by all means allow seasonal workers to come here in an orderly identified fashion.

Strengthening the sense, truth, practice, emotional bondedness, cohesiveness, durability of neighborhoods and other communities would help

A proper ID would indeed promote all these things.

Strengthening the enforcement of laws on the books would help.

Ditto

Proper ID and an end to the what if arguments would help the courts alot. David westerfield trial is a great example. Prosecution negotiated with him about the location of danielle's body. If they took Death Penalty off the table he would tell them where the body was located. The jury NEVER got to hear that tidbit. Yet every waht if was presented even though it was known from the very begining he did what he did to that little girl. Research that trial a bit if you didn't catch it and you will see what I mean. Truth needs to be more involved in the court procedures and that would alot of the stalling that goes on.

Rehab is why so many reoffend. They were not punished. Look to Mousaui...poor little guy had a troubled childhooooooooooooddddd.....WHAHAAAAA... SO now we get to pay tax dollars for decades instead of being done with someone that has no right to walk among us.

We can remove public officials via the vote. I agree it is time people wake up and do that vewry thing. Can we start with Kerry and Kennedy?

[BlueStateDepression]

Using the bible to back your position only seeks to push your religious agenda. You have every right to speak it and I have the right to disregard that angle for support of a position.

I am in the market of getting a dog. I went to the pound last week to possibly save one from there. Honorable right?
It is a requirement to CHIP all the dogs and I can see why they want such a thing. I drew the line when they forced me to pay for it also. If they had paid for it I would not have had the objections I do based on it being their responsibility to make sure the dog was going to agood home.

Wanting to have a valid form of ID is not equal to backing installation of a chip in every person. I hold no such position of wanting all people to have a chip installed, but I do understand that it does have proper uses in some cases.

[BlueStateDepression]

So then people can spy on those that they do not even know? How is that not a violation but you having an ID in your wallet isn't? Which is more instrusive?

You really aren't making any sense now. A stakeout has a target, a warrant has a target that target is a specific ID. You know, the thing you call unconstitutional.

[BlueStateDepression]

Maybe you should take your own advice. I do nothave a problem with an airline checking passengers. No violation of liberty involved there whatsoever. Not when they just check everyone and THAT is the key. Everyone.

[BlueStateDepression]

How can you deport them? In your world it is a violation of rights to establish ID! You really do not see that problem presented by your own argument do you?

[BlueStateDepression]

Your employer doesn't know your SS#?
Your utilities do not? Your DOCTOR? Your SCHOOL? Your County? Your State?

If you really think that the IRS and the Bank are the only ones that know your SS# then you are far more gullible than I first thought.

[BlueStateDepression]

If God gave you a unique identity why would he want you to hide it from all the other unique entities he created? What would be the purpose of creating everyone to be unique if not to identify the differences between us?

You know like legal and illegal? Man and Woman? Father and son? Mother and daughter? Friend or foe?

[BlueStateDepression]

Fine, then hold that line and side with illegals who say it is none of your business(or the government) if they are here legally or not.

What you seek is one set of rules for YOU and another for eveyone else.