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Betrayed Conservatives
Logic Times ^ | 04-29-06 | Dan Hallagan

Posted on 05/03/2006 4:49:58 PM PDT by Logic Times

The Left’s hatred of George W. Bush has no rival...

...or so it once seemed. But not so fast. There is a new breed of GWB hater: the Betrayed Conservative, a creature of surprisingly intense emotions for a member of the rational Right. The Betrayed Conservative is good news and bad news for the conservative movement. The good news is that there are vocal, passionate conservatives out there – large numbers of them – unwilling to accept anything less than sound conservative policy out of Washington. They are angry and active and have imposed some measure of discipline on that exasperating collection of spineless Republicans in the nation’s capital. At the drop of a bad Supreme Court nominee or immigration bill, the Betrayed Conservative explodes with the sort of colorful epithets that would make Al Franken blush. And make no mistake, Bush is their whipping boy, and they rarely stop at forty lashes.

The bad news is that Betrayed Conservatives are a political disaster. Betrayal involves a breach of confidence, but in the history of American conservative politics there has never been any confidence to breach, never been a reliable tradition of conservative policy in Washington implemented by principled public servants. Such animals have rarely walked the halls of the Capitol Building, and when they appear, they are hunted down by both the rabid Left and vacillating Right with the viciousness of ritual murder. Such creatures of principle – Newt Gingrich for example – threaten all pure politicians.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: betrayal; blogpimping; bushhaters; conservatives; gingrich; government; lame; propaganda; reagan; term2
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To: Jezebelle

Its only one issue that has no long term consequences to the wolves, win or lose.
Even if you were to introduce 9 or 10 other issues.

But to the pig... it means everything, regardless of the other issues.


141 posted on 05/03/2006 8:06:36 PM PDT by loboinok (Gun Control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: Muleteam1
Afterall, conservatives are fighting a battle against social decay, the end point being socialism and communism. The purists who seek to teach the GOP a lesson seem to think all things are equal in the battle of conservatism and liberalism. Gravity, like social decay, is on the side of liberalism.

So, in the name of conservatism, we must accept defeat, we must fall back, to retain any semblence of authority.

We draw the line, and it's crossed, so we fall back.. all in the name of the party and conservatism because the alternative is too horrible to contemplate.

So tell us please, when the line is moved back to where the dims want it to be, will it be okay to rebel? Or do we hold the line in the name of conserivatism?

Tell us please, how to maintain our principals, and control of government, and disipline our elected representatives at the same time?

Those is DC know the score, and they know that when push comes to shove' they're really the ones doing the pushing and shoving.

The slowing boiling pot of water and the frog works whether it the dims or the republicans in power.

The game is afoot, but it's not the game WE think it is.

Wake up dude! Our country, the one we think we have, is in peril, and BOTH sides of the aisle are driving us to its destruction.

142 posted on 05/03/2006 8:07:34 PM PDT by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: claudiustg
We agree on something! How do you explain the Senate bill, then, and the President's direction on this?

We've agree on that for some time now. One of us wasn't paying attention. LOL I can't explain the Senate bill nor the President's direction on this. I don't feel we need NEW laws, or a NEW immigration policy. What we need is for the policy (laws) we already have to be enforced. I do not agree with President Bush's stance on this issue. But as I've been trying to point out on this thread, I don't think it behooves us to jump ship (so to speak) on the Republican party. I don't believe for one minute that the Dems would do any better. And in other issues facing our country, I'm quite sure we'd be far worse off than we are now if the Dems were in control. That is such a, "well, no duh!" statement, I can't believe I'm even having to say that to a FRiend. ;)

143 posted on 05/03/2006 8:10:23 PM PDT by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything.)
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To: Chena
Some calm and collected minds will hopefully prevail, not those folks who are so enraged they can't think straight.

I was calm and collected in 86, when we were promised strict enforcement in exchange for amnesty.

Here we are, 20 years and 20 million illegals later, our president and congress are making the same hollow promises and expecting us to lick it up - again.

It is entirely rational for anyone who cares about this issue to be enraged.

Anyone who claims to care and isn't is either a)lying, or b)insane.

144 posted on 05/03/2006 8:10:57 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Sybeck1

>So we have to accept liberals just because they have a "R" behind their name?

No. We work, and we work, and we keep working to make the "R" party more conservative. We vote in primaries. We write to our representatives often. We speak up when it counts. And for the good of the United States of America, we never give up. Never, never, never!


145 posted on 05/03/2006 8:16:42 PM PDT by HalleysFifth
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To: Logic Times

It is not the duty of the American people to vote for a political party. It is the duty of the political party to represent the will of the people. If the GOP decided not to represent the will of the majority of its party, then it is the GOP's fault and only the GOP's fault if they lose an election.


146 posted on 05/03/2006 8:18:56 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ((FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.))
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To: skeeter
Heck...my 1st outrage isn't the border it's the spending.
If this keeps up we will be a third world country and the border problem will be solved.
147 posted on 05/03/2006 8:21:59 PM PDT by Blackirish (Hillary is angry AND brittle.)
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To: Uncle Vlad

There is more then one issue...it's the spending stupid

not you Uncle.

http://www.cbot.com/cbot/pub/page/0,,1391+chart,00.html?symb=ZB&month=M&year=06&period=&study=&study0=&study1=&study2=&study3=&bartype=&bardensity=


148 posted on 05/03/2006 8:26:01 PM PDT by Blackirish (Hillary is angry AND brittle.)
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To: Common Tator
When the right sits on its hands, the lesson the Republican candidates learn is to move more to the left to replace them with left of center moderates. That just moves the center more to the left. That has been happening for 75 years.

And it will continue to happen, because, apparently by your reasoning, we have to keep moving left to get to the center.

Of course the left is still trying to move things further left of center so the center keeps moving - LEFT!

Please tell us where we draw the line? Please tell us when and how we can displine those who espouse conservative ideals when running for office, yet move left once they get there?

Are we going to be forever stuck on stupid with the game we think we are playing, but the ones we think we control are writing the rules?

When is enough, enough!!

And what recourse do we still have, if any?

149 posted on 05/03/2006 8:27:00 PM PDT by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
The purists' hatred for Bush could kill the conservative movement...and put 'rats in power for a generation.

I think extremist is more accurate than purist. Most ideologies can be carried to an absurd extreme.

The very definition of conservative implies moderation and caution. I think some people in their effort to "out-conservative" the other guy lose sight of the fact that extreme and conservative are somewhat contradictory terms.

150 posted on 05/03/2006 8:29:27 PM PDT by oldbrowser (We must act today in order to preserve tomorrow......R.R)
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To: Chena
So my question is, has President Bush used that word since then?
Has he continued using the term, "vigilante"?


Honestly, I dont' know.
I worked Google News a bit, but can't find anything definitive.

I remember back when the Minutemen project first began, President
Bush made some comment about not wanting any vigilantes.
No one knew back then exactly how the Minutemen would conduct themselves.
I myself didn't want vigilantes (taking the law into their own hands).


I didn't either.
And as far as I can tell, The Minutemen didn't either.
And ejected anyone joining with reckless intent.

This just makes what Dubya said even worse.
Given a situation that pitted illegals that invade the USA and US citizens
willing to enhance border security ON THEIR OWN DIME...Dubya decided
who was more more likely to be "the bad guys".

Even worse, he gave every journalist in the country a very large and effective
one-word club to beat The Minutemen over the head with in every story
on immigration.

We may simply disagree on this topic.
But my opinion is still that Dubya made a choice.
And decided that it was more likely I was an evil-doer than someone
breaking our borders.
All without any substantive evidence.

I'm still voting Republican this fall.
But to a large degree, that's only because the alternative sucks
even more.
151 posted on 05/03/2006 8:29:39 PM PDT by VOA
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To: skeeter

I understand. I've been enraged on this issue as well. I don't know anyone in my family (except for my lib sis), who isn't upset about border security and the illegal alien problems. Heck, I've ranted and raved with the best of them over it.

That being said, I will never believe that the Democrats would do any better on this issue, and I believe the Dems are one of the worst enemies we have in this country.


152 posted on 05/03/2006 8:33:31 PM PDT by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything.)
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To: Chena

You've got to present a credible threat to those you want to motivate.

Let's say someone is behind on their car payments. You call them up and they give you a song and dance and promise to pay, but don't. You call again and they give you a sob story and promise to pay, but don't. You call again and tell them that if they don't pay you'll have to repo their car. They ask who's going to pay if you take their car, and think they have you in a bind.

At that point you send a tow truck out and drag that heap away. If you don't, word will spread and more people simply won't pay. We're at that point with our leadership on this issue. They've put us off and faked us out. Now there are 20 million illegals squatting on our lands.

If we don't repo their offices, we're out of business as a Republic.


153 posted on 05/03/2006 8:36:38 PM PDT by claudiustg (Build a fence. They won't come.)
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To: VOA
I'm still voting Republican this fall. But to a large degree, that's only because the alternative sucks even more.

And did you vote in the primaries? Is your (R) incumbent (assuming you have one) a RINO? Was there an alternative, or did you go with what you knew?

My (R) incumbent senator up for election this November is a RINO: DICK - L.O.S.T. Treaty front man - Lugar. He had NO, zero, zip, nada, (R) opponents?

Now what?

154 posted on 05/03/2006 8:39:49 PM PDT by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: VOA

I appreciate the fact that you tried to find an answer to my question. I have been unsuccessful in finding the answer as well.

Yes, the President made a comment about not wanting vilantes, and that made perfect sense to me. But for folks to now take that word and use it against him everytime this issue is discussed.....well, I don't think that is fair, nor helpful. You sound as if you believe that just because our President cautioned against vigilantes, he was saying that the Minutemen would be worse than "the bad guys". I disagree with that assessment.

You say he gave the media a "one-word club" to beat the Minutement with. IMO, the media will always find their one-word wonder to use against us. It's bad enough that the MSM convinced Dems that this one-word was a "club", but it's more disturbing that members of his own "base" would believe it.

God bless the Minutemen. They have already done more to bring this issue to the public arena than anything that has been done for years. I'm also proud of the fact that they have been ever so careful about how they organized this effort and have proven that they aren't a bunch of vigilantes. They are Americans trying to protect our country and deserve our support and respect.


155 posted on 05/03/2006 8:42:25 PM PDT by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything.)
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To: claudiustg
If we don't repo their offices, we're out of business as a Republic.

The only offices you will "REPO" with this strategy are conservative seats. The so-called RINO's will sail to re-election. By the time we have another chance at correcting the problem in 2008 the boomers will be retiring by the millions and they are not about to listen to small government conservatives that tell them their Social Security benefits have to be cut. If you think AARP is militant now you haven't seen anything yet. With the demographics of this country I can't believe than anyone on this forum is delusional enough to believe that this nation is just thirsting for small government when the reality every single day says just the opposite.

156 posted on 05/03/2006 8:57:46 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: loboinok

Please explain the analogy. I don't see the nexus between your analogy and this topic.


157 posted on 05/03/2006 9:00:40 PM PDT by Jezebelle
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To: Logic Times

Dang. My prediction was off.

I said just today that the hacks and the RINOs would blame conservatives for their failures (caused by the abandonment of the conservative agenda) AFTER the election.

But they've started already!


158 posted on 05/03/2006 9:04:21 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: Common Tator
The conservatives who have for the most part taken over Free Republic will produce their own destruction and perhaps the destruction of much of the nation.

Dang! And here I thought FR was a conservative website all along!

159 posted on 05/03/2006 9:13:30 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: Common Tator
It is what LBJ told me in 1968.

Now THERE'S an expert on what is best for conservatism!

160 posted on 05/03/2006 9:15:34 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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