Posted on 05/03/2006 4:49:58 PM PDT by Logic Times
The Left’s hatred of George W. Bush has no rival...
...or so it once seemed. But not so fast. There is a new breed of GWB hater: the Betrayed Conservative, a creature of surprisingly intense emotions for a member of the rational Right. The Betrayed Conservative is good news and bad news for the conservative movement. The good news is that there are vocal, passionate conservatives out there – large numbers of them – unwilling to accept anything less than sound conservative policy out of Washington. They are angry and active and have imposed some measure of discipline on that exasperating collection of spineless Republicans in the nation’s capital. At the drop of a bad Supreme Court nominee or immigration bill, the Betrayed Conservative explodes with the sort of colorful epithets that would make Al Franken blush. And make no mistake, Bush is their whipping boy, and they rarely stop at forty lashes.
The bad news is that Betrayed Conservatives are a political disaster. Betrayal involves a breach of confidence, but in the history of American conservative politics there has never been any confidence to breach, never been a reliable tradition of conservative policy in Washington implemented by principled public servants. Such animals have rarely walked the halls of the Capitol Building, and when they appear, they are hunted down by both the rabid Left and vacillating Right with the viciousness of ritual murder. Such creatures of principle – Newt Gingrich for example – threaten all pure politicians.
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Bump.
Well, that would frost me too. I don't know for a fact that their stated goal is a sham. If it is, and they manage to register to vote "illegal aliens", then I'd sure like to know how they managed that. Don't most illegal aliens try to hide out? I can just seem some illegal alien saying, "gosh, I might get caught and sent back to Mexico, but dang, I really want to try and get my voter registration card." LOL I'm not saying it can't happen, but dang...that'd be pretty dumb.
---You didn't answer my question.---
Oh, I think I did. Whether the President used the word, vigilante before are after this or that is of no importance. Until the Republican leadership starts construction of a fence on the southern border, their words have no credibility.
Busting a 1000 illegals in Chicago and letting them go on their own recognizance isn't going to cut it. The House comes up with one bill, the Senate a completely different one, while the President seranades us about guest workers. They're playing us and we know it.
If you think 20 million illegals and an open border are a "pet issue", you'd better think again.
LOL They aren't afraid of being deported. There's been a target rich environment of illegal aliens protesting off and on for the past 2 months. Have you see any ICE agents around arresting any of them? No. Not even one. Anywhere.
It won't be any more difficult to register illegals than it is to register dead people in St Louis.
LOL - a bit thick on the hyperbole, CT? We face Islamofascists who want to kill us and our nation, liberals who hate us and our nation, and professional politicans of both parties willing to sell out us and our nation to line their own wallets - yet conservatives are going to cause the destruction of much of the nation. Unbelievable.
The conservatives will never accept the achievable as acceptable performance. They want it all and they want it now. They will not accept two steps forward and one step back. They want all steps forward. What they soon achieve is three steps back followed by three more.
Your idea of the "achievable" is whatever the party leaders deign to give to us, regardless of its degree of conservatism.
I seem to recall a certain poster (OK, it was you) calling us conservatives seven shades of stupid for insisting on a legitimate conservative SC candidate instead of the Myers farce. After all, you told us small-minded conservatives, there was no way a real conservative would get approved by the Senate.
Do you ever get tired of being wrong?
It is what LBJ told me in 1968.
My goodness - then it must be true in 2006! (sarcasm off)
The most disastrous thing for conservatives is for the most part they not get involved with the efforts needed to convince a majority of the voters to their positions.
Finally, common ground - I agree completely.
However, you neglect to point out that when conservatives do make such an effort (see: Specter/Toomey, Chafee/Laffey, Blackwell/Petro, Tom Coburn in OK Senate race, etc.) they have to deal with the leadership of the "conservative" party doing everything possible to cut their legs off. Not an excuse, but you can understand why conservatives, after awhile, choose not to get involved at the precinct or state level.
Then, once our legs have been cut off - the GOP asks us to support their milquetoast candidates? No thanks...
Then after massive defeats they console themselves by thinking the problem was their failure to get their message out.
I think you have us confused with the 'Rats in 2000. And 2002. And 2004.
Conservatives never figure it out. Candidates always try to emulate the positions of those who win races.
My goodness - the GOP is handed control of every branch of government, with the largest voting block giving them that control being conservatives. Then, once in power (first time in 60 years controlling all three branches), the three branches get in a race to see who can abandon conservative principles the fastest.
But in your mind, they are doing this to...get elected??? Isn't the lesson that what they are doing is precisely what will ensure their future defeat? Or am I just being obtuse (movie reference)?
The right never learns from its failures or its successes.
And, obviously, you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
I know you consider yourself a deep political thinker, CT. When you write your book - "Everything I need to know about conservatism I learned from LBJ" - I want an autographed copy.
Why?
This is one of those "single issues" that can sink the country forever if the politicians give the country away to Mexico. You're right to think of this as a deal-breaker.
You're still stuck on the words, "pet issue". How sad and silly. You want a fence and nothing less will do. I've actually advocated for building a security fence. Imagine that! You are doing what so many of the "I want it now or I'm going to have a fit" crowd is doing. I don't like children who throw tantrums and I like it far less in adults.
"The "Betrayed Conservatives" are frauds. Chief Justice Roberts, Asso Justice Alito, Judges Rogers, Brown and Luttig. Game, set match and argument to the GOP. Anyone saying anything different is either a political fraud or a naive fool."
Bull. It was those conservatives whose speaking up against Harriet Miers while the bots bent over got us Samuel Alito. Which side were you on with Miers, hmm?
--- I can just seem some illegal alien saying, "gosh, I might get caught and sent back to Mexico, but dang, I really want to try and get my voter registration card." LOL I'm not saying it can't happen, but dang...that'd be pretty dumb.---
Nobody is getting sent anywhere. The Dims mail out these registration forms to whatever addresses are on there list. You fill it out and you're registered. My wife, who is not a citizen, but is here legally and has never voted or registered to vote, got summoned for jury duty! We had prove that she wasn't a citizen to stop their threats of legal action if she didn't show up. I don't believe Vincente Fox would have any trouble voting if he showed one of those mailed out registrations.
It was sad. The power and intelligence sapped. I was hurt when I found out about the pro-sodomite stuff. But when he was right, he was very right indeed...
---I've actually advocated for building a security fence. Imagine that!---
That was evidently before you decided to bow to the will of your party masters and denigrate anyone that thinks we should hold out for our principals and our country's security.
There are serious problems in the "system". I realize that, and I want it changed. But am I going to vote in a bunch of liberal Democrats to change it? I'd have to be crazy to do that! Do I not vote? Some sound as if they would do just that, or vote for anyone other than a Republican. Now THAT would be just plain dumb, and dangerous for our country.
The vast majority of Americans want our borders secured. Only an idiot would say it doesn't matter at all. But how we get there from here is a debate that continues to rage. Some calm and collected minds will hopefully prevail, not those folks who are so enraged they can't think straight.
I have not denigrated anyone, least of all those who hold out for principals and our country's security. As the mother of a soldier who served in Iraq, I can tell you that our country's security is MY "pet issue".
Yep. I agree with that part.
Quite so. Bur does anyone have any ideas how we could discipline our Republican "representatives" without voting aginst them?
Interesting...
by electing reps that will do the will of the voters. toss the current batch out, for real conservatives.
---The vast majority of Americans want our borders secured. ---
We agree on something! How do you explain the Senate bill, then, and the President's direction on this?
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