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There is absolutely no ethical basis the OBL can stand to validate their positions except to play upon emotion.

Ethical basis, no, but you'd really have to ask yourself the hard question about which "lobby" is playing upon emotions the most.

The reason I support immigration and wish that U.S policy was geared toward legalizing more immigrants - not necessarily to become full citizens with all the perk, mind you, but to be able to account for who is here and why - is for the reasons laid out in this post (post #44 which I'm linking to).

It's already been proven without a doubt that illegals drive down wages. Wages that used to be able to support a family. Illegals create an unfair playing field with legit business owners who chose not to hire illegals. The hiring of illegals actually plays a large roll in legit business owners going out of business. Imagine if your payroll was 30% to 40$ more than your closest competitor. How could you bid for the same job?

Illegals cost the California tax payer over 10 BILLION dollars last year. There were a few other states that have recently listed the COST of illegals to their taxpayers recently on FR...I'll see if I can dig out the threads.

It sure seems like that article you posted is sorely missing the other side of the story. It seemed very biased to me.

I do not have a problem with a LEGAL seasonal guest worker program.
There is absolutely no reason for it to be tied to citizenship. This guest worker program needs to have some very strict oversight so as to make the possibility of these temporary workers lingering on after their visas expire and becoming parasites on the taxpayers of the US less likely to happen.

I am 100% against any form of "amnesty" for the illegals in country as it pertains to citizenship or "earned citizenship".
Their "amnesty" should be that they be sent home...and put at the back of the line for those who wish to get seasonal jobs. That is "amnesty" enough.

(post 44 you refer to)

More fertilizer logic by so called experts, we could counter this garbage with tons of REAL reasons by experts that PROVE illegals are a detriment affecting our economy as proven by their "great boycott" against AMERICA's economy, actions speak LOUDER than these so called economists OPINIONS, and that is all this is , OPINION of a bunch of pro-illegals. It isn't bad that Snow supports Capitalism BUT to support illegals is stupid and to use Capitalism as the basis for supporting Capitalism is even more bizarre when there are 300 MILLION Americans who would work jobs in construction etc that the illegals have stolen!

So now we know why Snow was chosen.

There are plenty of experts who will support the notion that ILLEGALS flooding into this country are bad for America!

9-11 is one of the best! Their boycott to RUIN America's economy is another, Their banners stating they hate Capitalism is another, OVERCROWDED schools and hospitals to name a few is another reason!!!

Sometimes LOGIC and real reasons the illegals are a scourge on this country escapes most so called experts sitting in their little offices making their own reality. And than there is true REALITY the illegals must be deoported as they disrespect all things American including CAPITALISM!!!!!

The very argument that the illegals are good for the economy is dispelled by their hatred for the very thing the economists and obviously Tony Snow is trying to make an argument for, Capitalism, We Conservatives of course support Capitalism, we do NOT find Capitalism evil or bad, BUT the ILLEGALS DO!! IF they did not steal the jobs there would be plenty of AMERICANS who do support capitalism that would gladly take those jobs!

LMAO!

Your link references professional "economists" positing more illegal immigration as being good for the economy. What your link fails to assess is the disconnect between Wall Street shareholders and corporate profits with personal income growth. While profits for corporations and shareholders rise because the margins between profit and costs widen as wages are increasingly depressed by illegal alien labor, legitimate workers' wages lack an ability to keep up with normal economic growth. That's good, as long as we're ALL corporate entities.

Professional "economists" need to get their heads out of Wall Street's arse for a breath of reality on behalf of the average laborer. For that, one'd need to consult with those who've actually had experience holding meaningful jobs. But "Economists" won't do that because what's good for the legitimate laborer (exclude labor unions from discussion) isn't always in the best interests of the corporate world, and from where do the majority of "economists" make their incomes? Yeah, I can see they'd bite the hand feeding themselves, since they'd not have an otherwise marketable skill. LOL!

"Economists" would be doing themselves a credit if they'd compare total losses attributable to illegal alien labor with the net gains of Wall Street. Across the board, when 11 million illegal aliens take an EEC of just $2000 each, there is no way their contributions equal their costs to the citizen taxpayer when their additional billions in social costs are factored in. What those "Economists" fail to report, whether by deceit or through ignorance, are those additional costs to taxpayers, which would normally be just another cost of doing business, force federal deficits higher, but they don't realize those effects because those additional taxpayer costs are expected to be borne by "future" generations.

In principle, it's the same thing if, on a personal level, one earns a fair wage while paying part of their bills with another's credit card while they attempt to hide the statement. It appears for now, the income is great - but the true cost isn't realized just yet, but we KNOW it's there.

Those trying to pass of illegal alien labor as "good for the economy" are simply shortsighted, greedy, and wrong.

Or their opinions could be "bought".