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It's already been proven without a doubt that illegals drive down wages. Wages that used to be able to support a family. Illegals create an unfair playing field with legit business owners who chose not to hire illegals. The hiring of illegals actually plays a large roll in legit business owners going out of business. Imagine if your payroll was 30% to 40$ more than your closest competitor. How could you bid for the same job?

Illegals cost the California tax payer over 10 BILLION dollars last year. There were a few other states that have recently listed the COST of illegals to their taxpayers recently on FR...I'll see if I can dig out the threads.

It sure seems like that article you posted is sorely missing the other side of the story. It seemed very biased to me.

I do not have a problem with a LEGAL seasonal guest worker program.
There is absolutely no reason for it to be tied to citizenship. This guest worker program needs to have some very strict oversight so as to make the possibility of these temporary workers lingering on after their visas expire and becoming parasites on the taxpayers of the US less likely to happen.

I am 100% against any form of "amnesty" for the illegals in country as it pertains to citizenship or "earned citizenship".
Their "amnesty" should be that they be sent home...and put at the back of the line for those who wish to get seasonal jobs. That is "amnesty" enough.

It's already been proven without a doubt that illegals drive down wages.

Where has this has been proven without a doubt? I am of the view that the labor unions are part of this problem for artificially inflating wages. If you think this doesn't affect all other sectors of the economy you're mistaken.

Why do engineers (non-union) get paid $100/hour? Because they feel they deserve it since they are generally more educated than your average union auto worker (whose wages are artificially inflated). Just as the union wages affect wages on jobs "upstream", such as engineers, they also affect wages on jobs "downstream" like, say a WalMart worker. Those people would think, "if an auto worker is getting $50/hour, then i deserve $18/hour". See, everybody is brought up a notch by the union wages. So i don't think that Illegals drive down wages. They take what the market will bear. Most industries can no longer afford in a global market to pay the extortion wages demanded by labor unions.

Surely you know, the steel industry went down because of wages not commensorate with what the market would bear and the auto industry is on the same course to doom. Even the grocery unions are outsourcing their meat processing in a lot of places, probably to avoid having to pay union wages.

I've noticed meat packing is one of the jobs listed as something the Illegals do in great numbers. Construction too. They are beginning to bite into the unions chokehold on certain industries.

But i don't blame the Illegals for that. I blame the unions greed. I certainly do not approve of Illegals and would like to see most of them deported, but i also want labor unions gone (i.e. part of history)!