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Giuliani Shows a Candidate's Mettle to Republicans in Iowa
NY Times ^ | 5/2/6 | Patrick Healy

Posted on 05/02/2006 9:42:32 AM PDT by Crackingham

Former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani said on Monday that he was seriously exploring whether he has "a chance" of winning the presidency in 2008, as he visited politically important Iowa and huddled with state advisers, donors to President Bush and other prominent Republicans. While Mr. Giuliani was officially in Iowa to attend two Republican fund-raisers, his behavior and remarks came close to politicking for himself. He ruminated openly about running, disclosed he was not sure what he would do if his friend John McCain also ran, and argued that if Republicans are to be a majority party, they need to accept politicians like himself who support abortion rights, gay rights and gun control.

"I've got a lot of places to go and a lot of people to talk to and a long process of figuring out whether it makes sense to run for president in 2008," Mr. Giuliani said before speaking at a daytime fund-raiser in Des Moines for a Republican congressional candidate. "I don't know the answer to that yet."

He added: "My effort this year will be to help Republicans get elected, and then, quite honestly, as part of it, saying to myself, does it look like I have a chance in 2008? And make that decision after the 2006 election."

At a fund-raiser in Davenport on Monday night, Mr. Giuliani offered a stout defense of President Bush's leadership, arguing that the economy was growing and that Mr. Bush would go down in history as "a great president."

"I don't know what we're all so upset about," he said, referring to concerns about the economy and rising costs, such as gas prices.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
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To: EternalVigilance; P8riot; Howlin; onyx; EDINVA; iceskater; xyz123; Mudboy Slim; Corin Stormhands; ..
You've given me nothing in response but arrogant brushoffs.

Not true and you know it.

I've spent hours providing for you the Senator's statements regarding abortion, immigration and the 2nd Amendment (the latter with P8riot's help).

YOU ignore the facts. YOU ignore the records.

We KNOW what your agenda is here EV. We just don't know who's paying you.

Your FR history is miles long.

Since you Left the GOP™ why don't you go nominate the candidate for YOUR party. Surely the banks are open on the left coast by now.

161 posted on 05/03/2006 9:33:10 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: P8riot
though I am not crazy about the "virtual fence" statement, feel that he is more in line with Tom Tancredo, than George Bush on immigration.

Both Georges have the same rhetoric on illegal immigration.

Tancredo they are not.
162 posted on 05/03/2006 9:37:00 AM PDT by Gelato
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To: Corin Stormhands
I've spent hours providing for you the Senator's statements regarding abortion, immigration and the 2nd Amendment (the latter with P8riot's help).

Yeah, right.

Perhaps you could, once, explain "brain waves", abortions til "viability", abortions for "fetal abnormality", virtual imaginary fences, guest workers, Ed Gillespie, long-time support for the "Assault Weapons Ban", and federal spending without end, eh?

163 posted on 05/03/2006 9:40:55 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Since you Left the GOP™ why don't you go nominate the candidate for YOUR party. Surely the banks are open on the left coast by now.

A) I'm currently in the GOP.

B) I'm not currently in CA, as you assume, simply because my page is set there. The Golden State just happens to be ground zero in the invasion of our country from the south. You Allen supporters would do well to pay more attention to that.

164 posted on 05/03/2006 9:45:04 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: EternalVigilance; Howlin; onyx
A) I'm currently in the GOP.

Sorry, I just can't keep up.

165 posted on 05/03/2006 9:47:46 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Corin Stormhands
We KNOW what your agenda is here EV. We just don't know who's paying you.

If someone was paying me, you'd know about it.

How many posters on FR are being paid by Senator Allen, or the RNC, or affiliated organizations or companies, do you think?

My agenda is to get a real conservative as the leader of our party in 2008, not one who panders right and left and makes his decisions based on focus groups and polls.

166 posted on 05/03/2006 9:48:11 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: Corin Stormhands

Would you rather I wasn't in the GOP?

I always have to laugh at the spectacle of RINOs and GOP hacks trying to drive conservatives out of the party. It's so funny that they think that's how they build the Republican coalition and win national elections.


167 posted on 05/03/2006 9:49:48 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: Corin Stormhands
I just got off the phone with a friend who is ~very~ close to the Allen camp (and has been for years). I told her some of the things folks like EV have been saying. She was a baffled as I.

Conservatives I've talked to are also baffled when faced with Allen's pro-choice leanings and Bush-like rhetoric. They all assumed he was pro-life, and "felt" he was strong on the borders.

George Allen's abortion position would extend the right to life only to the unborn who have reached a "quality of life." He supports legalized abortion for fetal abnormalities, rape and incest, and all babies up until "viability."

George Allen's borders rhetoric mirrors G.W. Bush's. "We need a guest worker program to fill the needs of employers," says Allen. He has said a guest worker program is a vital part of border security. Last December, Allen dismissed an actual fence as not "worthy of consideration," and that mere unmanned aircraft to watch the border would suffice.

What's baffling is that so many have been duped for so long into believing Allen is a conservative leader.

168 posted on 05/03/2006 9:50:40 AM PDT by Gelato
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To: Gelato

It's amazing, you talk and EV's lips move.


169 posted on 05/03/2006 9:51:47 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Corin Stormhands
It's amazing, you talk and EV's lips move.

That's pretty funny, coming from someone who had to call in P8triot to pretend to answer concerns about George Allen's longtime support for the Assault Weapons Ban.

170 posted on 05/03/2006 9:58:00 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: Corin Stormhands
It's amazing, you talk and EV's lips move.

Whatever that means.

Anything of substance to add in reply to my post?

Or are diversion tactics all you've got?

171 posted on 05/03/2006 10:05:06 AM PDT by Gelato
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To: Gelato; EternalVigilance
At least we have an explanation now for the EV/Gelato brand of McCarthyism...


172 posted on 05/03/2006 10:06:18 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Corin Stormhands
At least we have an explanation now for the EV/Gelato brand of McCarthyism...

McCarthyism??

ROFL...

173 posted on 05/03/2006 10:08:29 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: Gelato
Or are diversion tactics all you've got?

I'm afraid that's all they've got.

174 posted on 05/03/2006 10:10:58 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Given a choice between McCain or Rudy...Rudy is the only choice. I see McCain getting most of the big money and contolling the primary season by himself. The only guy that can hold McCain down...is Rudy.


175 posted on 05/03/2006 10:29:05 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Corin Stormhands
How about explaining what George Allen meant when he said: You all have a problem if you think George Allen can appeal to pro-lifers with such rhetoric. He might fool enough for the nomination, because of a few pro-life votes in the Senate, but word will get out in time to cost him the general election.

Swell.

Worse than a Bob Dole candidacy.

176 posted on 05/03/2006 10:32:51 AM PDT by Gelato
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To: Crackingham

NY Slime article.

A homosexual staffed newspaper seeking to push a pro-homosexual candidate.

No way, no how, not going to happen.

Zero dollars outside the deviant circles and political poison to those who do contribute.


177 posted on 05/03/2006 10:34:46 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: HitmanLV

West of the Hudson here, and Guiliani is a favorite.


178 posted on 05/03/2006 10:39:06 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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To: pepsionice
The only guy that can hold McCain down...is Rudy.

Or any of a hundred or so reasonable conservatives with national name ID who can chew gum and walk straight at the same time.

179 posted on 05/03/2006 10:39:17 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: EternalVigilance
I'm afraid that's all they've got.

I suppose that's been a working strategy for the Allen folks up until now.

Unfortunately, presidential politics is a different ballgame. The deeper you get into it, the more you must be able to stand up to scrutiny and solidify the base. You know, it's a "team" effort.

Allen's camp seems woefully unprepared in the preseason.

180 posted on 05/03/2006 10:43:30 AM PDT by Gelato
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