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Allen's a rebel, not a racist
St. Paul Pioneer Press ^ | 5/1/05 | Kathleen Parker

Posted on 05/01/2006 6:22:21 AM PDT by rhema

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To: AnalogReigns

Since when are we governed by perception.


21 posted on 05/01/2006 9:49:24 AM PDT by wardaddy (MALDEF and LULAC have infested this forum....as if RINOS weren't bad enough)
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To: rhema
wherein we learn that Allen once had Confederate flag stickers on his red Mustang and wore a Confederate flag lapel pin.

Driveby media at it again. Now having a Confederate flag sticker is equivalent to being 'insensitive' to race issues.

Notice the newspeak for calling someone a racist without actualling saying:

"Why would a young man with such a sensitive understanding of Southern racial conflict and no Southern heritage (Allen grew up mostly in California) wear a Confederate flag in his formal yearbook photo?"
The implication of the above loaded questions is, 'Allen is insensitive to race issues.'
22 posted on 05/01/2006 9:57:35 AM PDT by george wythe
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To: rhema
If you can't find a dead girl or a live boy in the man's bed, by all means find a Confederate flag in his closet.

ROTFL!

23 posted on 05/01/2006 10:04:27 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: AnalogReigns
Given the rutnlessness of the Democrat spinners, I honestly think this is a kiss of death for Allen's presidential candidacy.

Only in their dreams.

24 posted on 05/01/2006 10:06:14 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: rhombus; wardaddy
I knew so many "Northern Yankees" who wore the Southern Cross during the 70s. It was indeed a sign of rebellion and had nothing whatsoever to do with race.

Absolutely. And, what has caused the confederate battle flag to become a "symbol of hate" in the intervening 30+ years? The answer is plain and simple: vicious liberal propaganda.

25 posted on 05/01/2006 10:36:29 AM PDT by bourbon (he who marries the spirt if the age will soon be a widower.)
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To: rhema

Whenever a Republican candidate is accused of being a racist, you know he is awesome. The racism lie has been perpetrated against every principled conservative, especially presidential contenders.

And you know what? It's BORING. It's been overdone and people don't care about it anymore, as we saw with the failed attempt to paint Bush as a supporter of lynching.

The Southern Battle Flag has meaning for many people as a symbol of history and heritage, not mere racism. Anyone who knows any Civil War history knows that slavery and racism were neither the only nor the primary cause of the Civil War. It was about issues of States' rights v. Union/Federal power.

Allen is not going to be seriously hurt by this; he is too skilled a politician. Real Americans will see that he simply appreciates the rich role the South has played in American history. No more, no less. And the liberal elitists can shove it.


26 posted on 05/01/2006 12:18:20 PM PDT by blitzgig
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To: onyx

Idiots in the media bump!


27 posted on 05/01/2006 1:55:45 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: starfish923
About the Confederate flag ... WHO CARES!?

Exactly. The people who are going to be bothered by this, are people who wouldn't vote for the Republican candidate anyway

28 posted on 05/01/2006 1:59:32 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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To: Ron in Acreage
The leftist media are going on the war path against our next president.

THAT is a given.

29 posted on 05/01/2006 3:09:28 PM PDT by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: L.N. Smithee
About the Confederate flag ... WHO CARES!?
Nobody does, with the exception of the likes of Al Sharpton, Julian Bond, and Cynthia McKinney. Which, of course, means the MSM thinks the rest of us should care too.

As the poster said above, the MSM is going to make war on the next president...using ANYTHING for ammo. That includes lies. So, in the end, it doesn't matter what Allen did, the MSM are going to lie about him.

The above mention folks are, in my book, a**hol** of the first order, though I find Sharpton amusing sometimes. I don't expect anything but racist sewage coming from them, especially when they are ranting on about race.

30 posted on 05/01/2006 3:13:51 PM PDT by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: newcthem
Sure beats the hell out of the MEXICAN FLAG.

THAT'S for dang sure.

31 posted on 05/01/2006 3:14:26 PM PDT by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: libs_kma
I was based at Ft. Jackson in 1991 and they still flew the rebel flag at the courthouse in Columbia S.C.
Nobody cared then either.

I've always thought that the Confederate flag was just part of the white South, nothing more, nothing less.
After all, that war ended 140 years ago. It would be pretty hard for anyone to care now....especially when the South went down in flames.

Civil wars are the worst since there are no winners. Only Americans died there. Terrible time for all Americans. That took so long to heal, it simply can't happen again. Word wars, like we have now, are the best way to iron out problems.

And please, to all the freeper lawyers, wordmeisters and pickers of NIT, no lectures on the odd foreigner who might have died along with all the blue and grey.

32 posted on 05/01/2006 3:19:42 PM PDT by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: SauronOfMordor
Exactly. The people who are going to be bothered by this, are people who wouldn't vote for the Republican candidate anyway

I hadn't thought of it that way, but, you're correct.

33 posted on 05/01/2006 3:20:58 PM PDT by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: blitzgig
"The Southern Battle Flag has meaning for many people as a symbol of history and heritage, not mere racism. Anyone who knows any Civil War history knows that slavery and racism were neither the only nor the primary cause of the Civil War. It was about issues of States' rights v. Union/Federal power."

Well said! Unfortunately even some educated people are too d*mn lazy to dig into facts to get the truth. They would rather accept the canned version of history that the schools have taught for the last 40 years.

I however, have a bumper sticker on my truck with the beloved Battle Flag on it, and a belt buckle that has a CS on it. One dummy asked me what the CS stood for and I said "Well it doesn't mean chicken sh*t!" AND I am not a racist either, as I take each person for their worth, not because of skin color, religion etc. The racist turds are the democRATs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

34 posted on 05/01/2006 6:03:02 PM PDT by Colt .45 (Navy Veteran - Thermo-Nuclear Landscapers Inc. "Need a change of scenery? We deliver!")
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To: blitzgig
Anyone who knows any Civil War history knows that slavery and racism were neither the only nor the primary cause of the Civil War. It was about issues of States' rights v. Union/Federal power.

And what was the bone of contention brought the state-rights issue to the fore?

35 posted on 05/07/2006 3:58:25 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: rhema

The word "racist" is used so often and so incorrectly that it's lost its pejorative power.

If someone called me a racist, for any reason, I'd just shrug it off. It doesn't mean anything anymore.


36 posted on 05/07/2006 5:03:29 AM PDT by Beckwith (The liberal media has picked sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Slavery was not a big states' rights issue for most Southerners. Most Southerners were too poor to own slaves. The wealthy plantation owners certainly were wedded to slavery (though that would have ended eventually because of slavery's economic backwardness), but most Southerners just wanted to defend their families, lands, and independence from the power in Washington.

The issue of slavery was definitely part of the Civil War, but it wasn't the chief cause for the South.


37 posted on 05/08/2006 11:41:34 AM PDT by blitzgig
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To: blitzgig
...but most Southerners just wanted to defend their families, lands, and independence from the power in Washington.

Once their leaders had gotten them into the war then I agree that this was the primary motivator for most southerners. That and conscription. But something made the southern leadership believe that their actions were worth the risk of war. What was it?

The issue of slavery was definitely part of the Civil War, but it wasn't the chief cause for the South.

Then what was? And please don't say 'states rights' because that will bring it back full circle to my original question where I asked what the issue that brought states rights to the fore was.

38 posted on 05/08/2006 2:48:01 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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