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CA: Illegal immigrants or not, homeowners say the day laborer system works
San Diego Union - Tribune ^ | 4/29/06 | Peter Prengaman - ap

Posted on 04/29/2006 10:26:09 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

BURBANK – Chris James needed help moving a piano and three dozen boxes of records from his music studio, but instead of corralling some buddies he rented a truck and hired day laborers outside the local Home Depot. The two Guatemalan men finished the job in an hour and a half, hauling a piano and wedging a sofa into his condo, then stacking the boxes in a back room, for less than $40.

It was first time James hired day laborers but it won't be his last.

“Absolutely satisfied,” said James, 31.

The No. 1 employers of day laborers, many of whom are illegal immigrants, are homeowners – not construction contractors, not professional landscapers.

“Day labor is not a niche market,” said Abel Valenzuela, a UCLA professor and one of three authors of the first national day labor study, which was released in January. “It's now entering different aspects of the national mainstream economy.”

Forty-nine percent of day labor employers are homeowners, according to 2,660 laborers interviewed for the study. Contractors were second, at 43 percent. The study also found that three quarters of day laborers were illegal immigrants and most were from Latin America.

Homeowners like the men who call themselves “jornaleros” because they make up a flexible labor pool with no red tape and no overhead. And they'll do backbreaking jobs much cheaper than regular contractors.

Day laborers like homeowners, too. Shady contractors routinely stiff them. Not homeowners – the workers know where they live.

“And in houses, they give us food, water and soda,” said Herminio Velazquez, 48, one of the men who worked at James's condo.

While some homeowners are uncomfortable hiring people who likely have no work documents, they often don't believe they are doing wrong.

That position is rejected by anti-illegal immigration activists.

“They know they are hiring illegal aliens and breaking the law,” said Joseph Turner, who is trying to force San Bernardino to outlaw taxpayer-funded day labor centers. “They are contributing to the illegal immigration problem.”

Agents for Immigration and Customs Enforcement occasionally arrest day laborers, but they almost never go after homeowner employers. Their priorities are national security work sites such as seaports and the networks that smuggle illegal immigrants into the country.

“We need to stop unlawful employment,” said agency spokeswoman Virginia Kice. “But working day laborers sites is not an efficient way to use finite resources.”

The federal debate on immigration reform has been on either criminalizing illegal immigrants – a proposal that has stirred widespread protest demonstrations – or giving them temporary work visas that might eventually lead to citizenship. Though Senate leaders promise progress, legislation may not pass in this election year.

David Peters, a 37-year-old salesman, is bothered by illegal immigration and believes he's part of the problem, but he says it isn't always possible to hire people with work papers.

He hired day laborers over several months while remodeling his Hermosa Beach house. One man tiled a floor and installed a granite countertop for $1,000, jobs that Peters estimated would cost $5,000 if he used the Yellow Pages.

“I know if they didn't have a job, they wouldn't be here,” said Peters. “But we all shop at Target and Wal-Mart, and all their stuff is made overseas with cheap labor.”

Maxine Colby started hiring day laborers after her husband died six years ago because she needed somebody to clear brush, pull weeds, trim trees and wash windows. She pays them $11 an hour and serves them a hot lunch.

“They have been fantastic,” said the 78-year-old Malibu resident. “I speak a little Spanish, and they speak a little English, and we have a good time.”

She doesn't ask about immigration status or worry about breaking the law.

“This is a system that works for most people,” she said. “If lawmakers can't figure out how to fix it, I certainly can't.”


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; cheaplabor; daylaborer; homeowners; illegal; immigrants; system; works
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1 posted on 04/29/2006 10:26:13 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
We need our cheap under the table labor, it's all about me me me! I want my grass mowed for a dollar damn it! I want my house cleaned for a dollar damn it! I want my business profit margin higher than I could achieve legally, and I don't want anyone to question it damn it!

It's all about me, don't they understand?

Illegals are good for me personally, who cares who it hurts damn it!

/sarcasm
2 posted on 04/29/2006 10:32:10 PM PDT by TheForceOfOne (Free Republic - The pulse of conservative politics, without lame stream media filtration.)
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To: NormsRevenge
"She doesn't ask about immigration status or worry about breaking the law."

What a fine example of a concerned citizen. I guess we shouldn't be worried either if one of them should burglarize her house or slit her throat.
3 posted on 04/29/2006 10:33:39 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: NormsRevenge

Do you think these idiots know that illegals make up a third of all the violent offenders in California prisons?

I think that means there is a lot higher change an illegal will cut that throat and take the rest of you money after the piano is moved.


4 posted on 04/29/2006 10:35:59 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: NormsRevenge
The No. 1 employers of day laborers, many of whom are illegal immigrants, are homeowners – not construction contractors, not professional landscapers.

Soon the Illegals will be able to sue you for injuries. You will have to pay their FICA and Medicare.

Suddenly they won't be such a good deal.

5 posted on 04/29/2006 10:46:53 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Proud soldier in the American Army of Occupation..)
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To: NormsRevenge
Since they've drawn attention to themselves, what federal and state tax liabilities are Chris James, David Peters, and Maxine Colby on the hook for?

Since they have publicly confessed to hiring illegal immigrants, how do we turn them in?

6 posted on 04/29/2006 10:50:53 PM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: NormsRevenge
“This is a system that works for most people,” she said. “If lawmakers can't figure out how to fix it, I certainly can't.”

This statement could have applied just as well to slavery. Worked well, for most people.

7 posted on 04/29/2006 10:53:11 PM PDT by thoughtomator
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To: Racehorse
Since they have publicly confessed to hiring illegal immigrants, how do we turn them in?

Well, first find a government official who cares...

8 posted on 04/29/2006 10:53:24 PM PDT by ordinaryguy
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To: NormsRevenge
BURBANK 1805– Chris James needed help moving a piano and three dozen boxes of records from his music studio, but instead of corralling some buddies he purchased some negro slaves outside the local courthouse. The two black men finished the job in an hour and a half, hauling a piano and wedging a sofa into his condo, then stacking the boxes in a back room, for less than $40. It was first time James hired slaves but it won't be his last. “Absolutely satisfied,” said James, 31.

There, does that put a better perspective on it? This guy James sucks.

9 posted on 04/29/2006 10:56:02 PM PDT by kittycatonline.com
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It seems like it is cheap labor but the hidden cost of the illegals will destroy this country.


10 posted on 04/29/2006 10:57:10 PM PDT by pterional
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“I know if they didn't have a job, they wouldn't be here,” said Peters. “But we all shop at Target and Wal-Mart, and all their stuff is made overseas with cheap labor.”

What more needs to be said? This guy doesn't care about shipping manufacturing jobs off to China, so long as he gets a cheap hair blower; and he doesn't care about putting his local contractor out of work, either. This guy Peters sucks, too.

11 posted on 04/29/2006 10:59:57 PM PDT by kittycatonline.com
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“They have been fantastic,” said the 78-year-old Krakow resident. “I speak a little German, and they speak a little Yiddish, and we have a good time.”

Here, another sentence fixed for historical perspective. Why do these people not realize that they are undermining our nation?

12 posted on 04/29/2006 11:02:25 PM PDT by kittycatonline.com
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They should have their homes confiscated, sold, and the money collected should be used to secure the borders.

Or...we could bring the poorest people in Africa over here and give them room and board and maybe a dollar a day wages if they agree to take care of all of our household chores.

....they would be doing the jobs that the current illegal aliens aren't willing to do...at the wages some are willing to offer. We would have the current illegal aliens protesting against the new illegal aliens.

Opposing those new arrivals would be anti black the same way opposing illegal Latino immigrants is "anti Latino".


13 posted on 04/29/2006 11:03:23 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: Racehorse
what federal and state tax liabilities are Chris James, David Peters, and Maxine Colby on the hook for?

That's a good question:

To prove that they have been in the country for any length of time the illegals will have to tell who they worked for, when and how much they made and since it was cash you would be hard pressed to say otherwise. To make restitution the illegals will have to pay back payroll taxes (both halves)on every dime they earned. And either the IRS can come after the employers for their share of the employment taxes or the illegals can sue you.

And you had better believe that there are legions of lawyers itching to stick it to Gringos that hired the illegals under the table.

14 posted on 04/29/2006 11:08:34 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Proud soldier in the American Army of Occupation..)
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To: NormsRevenge
the workers know where they live.
And they know what items are available for the taking. Its already been established they are lawbreakers. Chris James shocked and saddened when his home is burglarized. Film at 11
15 posted on 04/29/2006 11:13:52 PM PDT by D1X1E (Call me an arrogant American. It doesnt insult me.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Sure thing! "Everything is just WONDERFUL!! Don't send Herminio home, I'd be lost if I had to hire someone I had to send a 1099 to at the end of the year."

People hire illegal immigrants in order to exploit them. It's a form or organized crime.
16 posted on 04/29/2006 11:41:21 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Enforce the 13th Amendment - Free the H1Bs)
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To: ordinaryguy
Well, first find a government official who cares...

Heck, try to find a government official who doesn't have their own illegal alien or three cleaning their house, watching their kids, or doing their yardwork. I bet he/she is a scarce commodity.
17 posted on 04/29/2006 11:46:24 PM PDT by kenth
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To: NormsRevenge
Sounds like China. You get a guy to haul your groceries from the cab to your apartment for a buck. Except, this guy in the story paid $40.

And the gardeners in my neighborhood are charging $100 plus a month.

18 posted on 04/29/2006 11:49:03 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: ordinaryguy
Well, first find a government official who cares...

Correct answer.

19 posted on 04/29/2006 11:50:50 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: pterional

>>>It seems like it is cheap labor but the hidden cost of the illegals will destroy this country.<<<

Well you know it, and I know it, but I talk to people every day (including my mother) who simply cannot fathom that "free" medical care and "free" housing and "free" services, are not actually free.

(That is until the Ministry of Magic perfects its inquiries into creating food and shelter out of thin air. They say they're only a decade away...)


20 posted on 04/29/2006 11:58:08 PM PDT by Shion
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