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Posted on 04/29/2006 5:13:49 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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Good evening sir.
Thanks for the ping, Tonk.
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Navy Secretary Implements New Prayer Guidelines
by Pete Winn, associate editor, www.Family.org
Pro-family legal experts raise warning flags over directive.
A new policy imposed by U.S. Secretary of the Navy Donald C. Winter tells chaplains to pray only "nonsectarian" prayers when they are part of any function outside the chapel doors.
Navy Lt. Gordon J. Klingenschmitt said the policy means naval commanders can now dictate when a prayer is said and what it can contain. He said that violates the First Amendment rights of chaplains like him.
"The basic gist is that a chaplain's speech is only covered inside the chapel," Klingenschmitt told CitizenLink. "But if we talk about Jesus outside the chapel, we can be punished by our commanding officers with the full authority of the secretary of the Navy."
The guidelines say, except for religious services, no prayers can be said onboard ship or at public events without the prior approval of a commanding officer.
Navy spokesman Lt. William Marks, however, said the Navy is not saying a chaplain can't say "in Jesus' name" in a prayer — but he did say that prayers in public ceremonies, such as retirements or promotions, should reflect the Navy's "pluralistic" audience.
"A chaplain will not be censored during a religious service," Marks explained to CitizenLink, defining "religious service" as a worship service, Bible study, prayer service or similar "divine services."
"But for nonreligious command-sponsored events," he said, "the commander will consult with a chaplain, and based on the event, the audience and the wishes of the person involved will determine the extent of a chaplain's participation."
Even at that, Jay Sekulow, chief counsel of the American Center for Law and Justice, still called it an intrusive policy.
"We went through this with the Air Force, and we ended up getting it resolved there, but anytime you start telling chaplains how to pray, it gets me concerned," he said. "It's not a good thing to be doing."
Mat Staver, president of Liberty Counsel, said the guidelines need to revert to what they were.
"The real problem with these particular guidelines is that they have completely reversed approximately 225 years of naval history," Staver said. "During that time period, chaplains have been allowed to express their particular faith — whether they are Protestant, Catholic, Jewish or otherwise. And I think the Navy should continue that long-standing, constitutional and common-sense tradition, rather than censoring naval chaplains."
Staver said Navy chaplains are unique — they are officers, but do not command sailors or Marines.
"They are commissioned as part of the chaplain service by a sponsoring religious institution," he said. "So, essentially, they are there because of the institution, not because of the military. If the institution withdraws its support then they can no longer be chaplains."
Sekulow and Staver both said their groups are working with Rep. Walter Jones, R-N.C., to address the issue. The ACLJ is also working with the Navy Department to help refine the policy.
http://www.family.org/cforum/news/a0039930.cfm
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Lord, Please Bless Our Troops, they're fighting for our Freedom.
Prayers going up.
Father,
Our warriors are in harm's way. They are putting their life on the line for the protection of liberty and freedom, both virtues extolled in Your Holy Scriptures. We ask that you shield and protect them. Make them strong in their fight. Give them discernment to where the enemy is. We ask that you confound the schemes of the evil doers. Send victory, Father, we plead.
We ask that you do this quickly to restore peace to the land and safety for your people. Then we can continue to spread your will and your love without fear.
In Christ's name we pray. Amen.
"In April 1945 Soviet forces were at the gates of Berlin. Hitler's closest lieutenants urged him to flee to Bavaria or Austria to make a last stand in the mountains, but he seemed determined to either live or die in the capital. SS leader Heinrich Himmler tried on his own to inform the Allies (through the Swedish diplomat Count Folke Bernadotte) that Germany was prepared to discuss surrender terms. Meanwhile Hermann Göring sent a telegram from Bavaria in which he argued that since Hitler was cut off in Berlin, as Hitler's designated successor he should assume leadership of Germany. Hitler angrily reacted by dismissing both Himmler and Göring from all their offices and the party, declaring them traitors. When after intense street-to-street combat Soviet troops were spotted within a block or two of the Reich Chancellory in the city centre, Hitler committed suicide in the Führerbunker on April 30, 1945 by means of a self-delivered shot to the head (it is likely he simultaneously bit into a cyanide ampoule). Hitler's body and that of Eva Braun (his long-term mistress whom he had married the day before) were put in a bomb crater, partially burned with gasoline by Führerbunker aides and hastily buried in the Chancellory garden as Russian shells poured down and Red Army infantry continued to advance only two or three hundred metres away."
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For Hitler's information. I was in Munich on April 30 and Bavaria was no safer than Berlin for Hitler. The bastard was cut off from escape.
Rotten Kid
Thank you, Tonkin.
Thank you troops...!!
Meaning
Don't persist with a task if the pressure of it is too much for you. The implication being that, if you can't cope, you should leave the work to someone who can.
Origin
This is widely reported as being coined by US President Harry S. Truman. That's almost correct, but in fact Truman was known to have used it at least as early as 1942 - before becoming president. Here's a citation from an Idaho newspaper, the 'Soda Springs Sun', from July that year:
"A favourite rejoinder of Senator Harry S. Truman, when a member of his war contracts investigating committee objects to his strenuous pace: 'If you don't like the heat, get out of the kitchen'."
He used a version slightly nearer the one most often used nowadays, in 1949, after becoming president, when warning his staff not to concern themselves over criticism about their appointments:
"I'll stand by [you] but if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen."
Truman was well-known as a plain-speaker, in a way that politicians in our more media-sensitive age rarely are. This was celebrated by Merle Miller, who published a set of interviews with him - called 'Plain Speaking: An Oral Biography of Harry S. Truman', in 1974. It includes this unambiguous gem, which would hardly get past the presidential spin-machine these days:
"I didn't fire him [General MacArthur] because he was a dumb son of a bitch, although he was, but that's not against the law for generals. If it was, half to three quarters of them would be in jail."
The other phrase associated with Truman that has entered our language is 'the buck stops here'.
Another linguistic quirk concerning Truman is the spelling of his name. The 'S' isn't short for anything - it is just 'S', and by normal grammatical convention it wouldn't be followed by a full stop (period). Truman always signed his name with a full stop though.
Thank you for Sunday's thread Sr. :)
Whoa! I'm never in this early.
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