Posted on 04/29/2006 4:33:28 AM PDT by King Moonracer
'Outsourced' Programmers Finally Get Same Benefits As Laid-Off Factory Workers--A Fair, But Costly, Development
Companies lay off workers for many reasons--they're employed in a unit that isn't profitable, they worked on a discontinued product, the employer is downsizing, etc. Or they work in an industry that's losing ground to foreign competitors with lower costs. Given the myriad ways in which one could suddenly find himself or herself out of a job, is there any justification for the government singling out the latter category for special benefits--like an extra year's worth of unemployment payments?
Not really, but as long as the feds practice this kind of economic discrimination through the Trade Adjustment Act, it's only fair that IT workers who have been "offshored" get the same treatment as factory workers. It's a wrong the government has finally righted, with a little nudge from the courts. Here's how it went down, and why the feds' decision--right or wrong--may end up costing taxpayers a lot of money.
In a ruling that got astonishingly little attention given its political sensitivity, the Department of Labor this month effectively reversed its longstanding position that software developers aren't eligible for assistance under the TAA, which was written with rust belt factory workers and Southern textile shops in mind. Labor held that coders didn't qualify because they weren't manufacturing a physical product, or, in the department's narrow legalese, an "article."
That distinction never made any sense and just about everyone except the bureaucrats seemed to know it. Just because a product doesn't arrive on our shores in a crate doesn't mean it's not subject to the same economic laws of production, supply, and demand as, say, a box of ball bearings.
Labor came to this fairly obvious conclusion only grudgingly. Four CSC workers who were laid off because production of the app they worked on was moved to India applied for, and were denied, TAA benefits. They sued, and their case was heard by the U.S. Court of International Trade. The court ruled that Labor's position on software not being an "article" deserving of TAA status was "arbitrary and capricious." The department was forced to reverse itself, opening the door for thousands of IT professionals who feel that their jobs have been "offshored" to claim TAA benefits.
(If you're an IT worker whose job got outsourced, you really should buy each of those former CSC employees a couple of cold ones!)
So why was Labor so stubborn on this issue? Here's one theory: This country has already gone through the restructuring of its manufacturing sector. You'd be hard-pressed to find a factory of any size still pumping out commodities in the United States. What's left are a lot of smaller, leading-edge shops that employ workers with highly specialized engineering skills. For manufacturing workers, TAA benefits are a bill that's mostly been paid.
Not so with the technology and professional services sectors. The rationalization of these industries on global lines is just beginning. Outsourcing has been a hot-button issue for years, but to date only a small percentage of IT and services work has actually gone abroad. But that's changing--fast. Evolving technology is making offshoring progressively easier to manage and less expensive, and managers are becoming increasingly comfortable with the practice as they gain experience with it. As a result, big IT services vendors like EDS, IBM, and CSC are set to double or even triple their Indian head count over the next couple of years.
They wouldn't be doing that unless they were set to send lots more work to that country. All this means that tens of thousands of U.S. IT workers currently employed could soon have to go through a career transition--either to a higher-level IT job (yes, there will be lots of them...see manufacturing above) or to a different profession. Labor's new ruling requires the government to help pay their "transition costs." The department is surely aware of this and may have resisted granting TAA eligibility to programmers for as long as possible. After all, who's going to pay the bill? Yeah, you guessed it.
Topics: Outsourcing
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After all, who's going to pay the bill? Yeah, you guessed it.
Ask yourself, who is getting hurt most by this? And who is allowing this to happen? Is this still the American dream or American nightmare? Very sad!
It is happening to people who think they should make $100K/yr as workers when they should be thinking of taking charge of their own lives as entrepreneurs.
There's something to be said for a job where you are not buried in red tape, permits and tax forms. If I can get 100k without the hassles, it would be my preference.
It's called capitalism... We don't live in France, so companies are actually allowed to lay off people whose product line might not be doing well or who they just have to pay more to hire than Indian programmers. That's just a fact of life. It sucks, but people need to learn how to deal with it.
However, I feel very little sadness for computer programmers making $100,000+ per year. If they're such smart computer programmers, they should consider forming their own companies and bringing the next big idea to market.
The market dictates compensation, are you saying they do not deserve $100k (or more) for the work they perform? It's OK to lower wages thru offshoring but not OK for those unaffected few to reap the reward of a downsized workforce?
MANY years ago when I first started programming it was considered a profession and the people engaged in the craft considered themselves professionals. About 15 years ago the high salaries began attracting people who were only out to make a buck. Today programming is swamped with people who have no clue what they're doing. And once you hire someone it's extremely tough to get rid of them no matter how bad or lazy they are. That's not to say that there aren't good programmers out there; it's just that they are outnumbered by the dolts.
I have no patience with wage/job talk coming from people who pretend not to understand business. I gave up a college teaching job in 1987 and went from commission sales to business owner. Everyone is really trading in a labor market and the sooner people realize that the better they will do.
But all business involves risk. Its a fact. You cannot expect government programs to eliminate risk entirely.
Of course, I see your point. Why should anyone startup a company when one has the relatively risk free option of a highpaying job?
Just as long as you understand that you are a sitting duck, enjoy.
You may or may not know this but it is common pratice for corporations to only hire approved contractors. That practice has eliminated most of the opportunities for smaller players to compete.
So had your brother managed the incredible feat of assembling a group of talented Indian engineers, he would have found that few companies if any would do business with him.
Tell that to Bill Gates et al. What a joke!
Actually, you've missed several developments.
It is becoming common for xrays to be read in India by doctors... not exactly unskilled or low skilled jobs.
And when I said engineering jobs were being outsourced, I meant EXACTLY that.... college degreed electrical and mechanical engineers. Many trained here, but who chose to return to their native countries where even with lower wages their standard of living is much higher.
As far as Dell goes.... the trend for them is to define the specification for a product they want, overseas companies design and produce to those specifications. Note, this process uses marketing people at Dell and engineering people at overseas companies.
If you've read the news lately you have seen where Microsoft has pledged several BILLION dollar to educate and train programers in China.... again, college educated jobs.
Now accounting.... yes, the Indians have focused on the US accounting markets, setting up college programs in India to train college level accountants for the US in India. These programs are overseen by Accountants who were trained and worked in the US.
The high tech manufacuring business is rapidly moving to China... they may actually produce more NOW than Tiawan, and certainly they produce more than Japan. Yes, China does produce some horrible crap, however they are now the #1 producer of advanced CNC machines... not exactly crap.
You also have to remember, some countries, notably China, are not really known as respecting intellectual property rights. So while Apple invented the iPod (actually, products had already been around for awhile - see iRiver)(Apple was just better at marketing it), it won't take China long to start knocking it off.
"It is becoming common for xrays to be read in India by doctors... not exactly unskilled or low skilled jobs."
Let me get this straight... U.S. hospitals are going to send their Xrays all the way to India to be read and then get them turned around in time to get the patient treated. Are they also going to perform surgery over the Internet?
It doesn't even make sense for lab results to be sent to India. The postage, time concerns, etc. make that impossible. (BTW, lab and X-ray technicians are fairly low-skilled positions, one only needs a JC degree for that type of work).
"And when I said engineering jobs were being outsourced, I meant EXACTLY that.... college degreed electrical and mechanical engineers. Many trained here, but who chose to return to their native countries where even with lower wages their standard of living is much higher."
It isn't the Indian and Chinese students' (or the U.S. schools or companies that might hire them) frakking faults that U.S. teens won't get off their a**es and study for their SATs and that they aren't being encouraged to study math and science. MIT and other top U.S. schools are going to pick qualified American students over foreign students; it's just that there isn't enough qualified U.S. students who want to study engineering, math, and science.
"As far as Dell goes.... the trend for them is to define the specification for a product they want, overseas companies design and produce to those specifications. Note, this process uses marketing people at Dell and engineering people at overseas companies."
Michael Dell's job (and as a consumer of his products I support him in this endeavor) is to get his computers to consumers as quickly and cheaply as possible. It isn't his fault that foreign companies can do it cheaper than U.S. companies.
"If you've read the news lately you have seen where Microsoft has pledged several BILLION dollar to educate and train programers in China.... again, college educated jobs."
Again, the fact that American teens spend all their time text messaging and playing video games is Microsoft's fault how? (BTW, the Gates foundation also gave a big grant to Chicago public schools).
"Now accounting.... yes, the Indians have focused on the US accounting markets, setting up college programs in India to train college level accountants for the US in India. These programs are overseen by Accountants who were trained and worked in the US."
Considering that the Big Four throw big bucks at my alma mater UIUC, the fact that you think that an accounting firm forging a strategic partnership with an Indian university means that the Big Four are going to start "outsourcing" audits to India makes me laugh muchily. U.S. accountants have to be certified in order to sign off on an audit. To be certified, an Indian auditor would have to take the necessary classes stateside, pass the test, and maintain one's qualifications through continuing education. Furthermore, the U.S. accounting standards are so different from international accounting standards that it would be counterproductive for any international university to teach them. (I should know; I didn't get to spend a semester overseas because of my major).
Instead of trying to use cheaper Indian labor to take over for its American auditors, what the Big Four are doing through their partnerships with Indian universities is making sure that there are enough qualified accountants in India to audit the public companies there. This is actually a good development for American investors and companies as it should inspire more confidence in Indian companies, which have historically been known for cronyism.
"The high tech manufacuring business is rapidly moving to China... they may actually produce more NOW than Tiawan, and certainly they produce more than Japan. Yes, China does produce some horrible crap, however they are now the #1 producer of advanced CNC machines... not exactly crap."
However, no intellectual property rights which is why Microsoft and other cutting edge companies aren't keen on expanding into China.
"You also have to remember, some countries, notably China, are not really known as respecting intellectual property rights. So while Apple invented the iPod (actually, products had already been around for awhile - see iRiver)(Apple was just better at marketing it), it won't take China long to start knocking it off.)"
Again this is actually hindering China's ability to become an economic superpower. Sure, they'll start knocking off Ipods for half of Apple's price. (There's already American knockoffs of the Ipod being manufactured legally). However, the Chinese aren't going to come out with the next "Ipod" --- Chinese inventors aren't going to risk bringing a ingenious invention to market and then having their neighbor steal their idea and profit from it.
I'll agree with you that America isn't very good at manufacturing. Anyone who has owned both one of those lemons from GM and a Japanese car knows that this is the case. However, where America reigns supreme is in the area of innovation. The Internet didn't come from China; it came from the U.S. It doesn't matter how many customer service or manufacturing jobs are outsourced to India; as long as we maintain that edge America's going to be fine. (And the best way to maintain that edge is by computer programmers who were supposed to feel sorry for 'cause they lost their cushy six figure jobs to outsourcing to get off their butts and start thinking of the next Google).
How would you stop it from happening?
There's absolutely nothing the government can do, except make the environment here more conducive to lower cost alternatives.
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