Hamad Mir - "Terrorists will Use Nukes in America if U.S. Bombs Iran!"

Terrorism Press COnference ^ | 4-28-06 | Bob J

[Bob J]

In a just concluded debate and press conference, author and FBI Consultant Paul Williams and Jeff Epstein of "America's Truth Forum" reveal they have been advised by Pakistani journalist and Bin Laden biographer Hamid Amir that Al-Qaeda will use smuggled nukes against the US if the US takes military action against Iran.

Amir established his credentials by correctly predicting that Egypt would be hit by terrorist action a full two weeks prior to the events of last week. Amir, a Pakistani journalist, has been in contact with high ranking Al-Qaeda officials for several years.

The debate (between Richard Miniter and Paul Williams) and press conference were webcast LIVE by Rightalk.com. Audio files of both events will be available for downloading by this afternoon.

[Star Traveler]

You said -- "What you suggest even using your number is that we kill 1.2 billion people."

You can avoid indiscriminately killing 1.2 billion people. You simply need to destroy the religion of Islam by destroying all their holy sites all over the world -- at one time. Destroy all the Mosques here in the U.S. Make the religion illegal. Kill all the clerics that teach terrorism as a means for spreading a religion (or for another means, for that matter).

Do that and you won't have the *basis* for Islam any longer. It will go away.

Regards,
Star Traveler

P.S. -- There will be as much sqawking about that as there has been for the U.S. going into Iraq and for supporting Israel. Just put up with it and be prepared to fight any immediate effects of it. It will die down in short order -- once the reality of all their religious sites being destroyed sinks in. And once they realize how impotent their so-called "god" (Allah, aka Satan) is -- they'll abandon him.

[Tokra]

Nothing will happen in the way of the U.S. nuking other countries.

I don't know about that - I don't know where you were on 9/12/01 and 9/13/01 - but I heard a lot of clammering for us to incinerate the Middle East. And that was after 3 jets crashing into buildings.

A nuclear detonation on American soil would send this country into a maniacal rage. I think anything would be possible.

[b4its2late]

If they had 'em, they'd have surely used 'em by now.

Exactly. They hate us for being us. Not because we're in Iraq, or anywhere in the Mid East, friends of Israel, or whatever other excuse they give.

[Star Traveler]

You said -- "All that will do is really piss off those who haven't learned how to strap a bomb to their childs chest."

Nothing too much different from now. So, what's the difference? They're training them as fast as they can right now.

It's time to *kill the cancer* of Islam.

Regards,
Star Traveler

[Chances Are]

Not that hard to surmise. Multiple nukes in many cities. Seems like the scenario.

Multiple nukes in multiple cities?

Can you steer us to a source that reveals the production of multiple warheads by Iran, let alone the possibility of their export?

CA....

[Southack]

"It's possible the nukes are here waiting for the fresh trigger devices to smuggled across the Mexico border."

No, it's not possible. The types of clean labs required for nuclear weapons maintenance are barely able to be maintained by great powers at enormous expense. Even something as simple as moving a trigger too close to the sides of a weapon while attempting to install it could cause an instant, high-visibility fizzle. This is not work that can be done by amatuers or local welders in a machine shop or warehouse.

Furthermore, our radiation detection is so acute that we are pulling drivers over on the highway who have had radiation treatment for cancer therapy.

[CygnusXI]

"Would have used em" argument.

They maybe thought that 911 would bring us ruin... they found out the hard way, we came and whooped ass, and continue to do so.

911 turned out better than they had hoped, in their eyes. (They did not expect the towers to crumble).

911's response was far worse than they imagined.

Therefore.

*If* (and I say if, cause quite frankly I am torn) they do have "a" nuke or 2... there is reason for NOT using it.

You see, just as this thread is saying, Americas response would be massive. Maybe leveling entire countries, maybe not, but massive nonetheless.

That said it is my opinion (again based on *if*) they would wait until they had many (5-10?) in place so they could litterally wipe out America as it is today.

They KNOW retalliation would be infinite. Hell, our boomers and subs alone would make oil slicks outta the planet if so desired, therefore, knowing their suicidal and non-caring ways, they would just want the final blow (of nuking 5-10 cities) before their "Side" got wiped.

They are gonna make a first strike (nuclear).
They have to be sure it's a doozie.
Assuming they have em..

[Star Traveler]

You asked -- "How do you limit the nuclear fallout to just the Dome?

You don't have to use nuclear weapons to destroy that. I don't know why you think so. That's overkill.

Heck..., I've watched companies take down buildings from a mere few blocks away. No one was harmed. If companies can do it, I'm sure the U.S. Military can do as slick a job.

Regards,
Star Traveler

[Fighting Irish]

Ooops, you meant Mecca, not the Dome.

made me chack my coordinates again.......

[Fighting Irish]

...or something like that

[elchrio]

watch out for people like southack that seem to minimize the dangerous. He was dangerously wrong when saying uranium gun-style bombs that can be made under 300lbs need fancy initiators to detonate.

[Hoodat]

They have get the approval of certain Mullahs and taht won;t be forthcoming unless

So these mullahs gave their approval for 9/11? Interesting. Perhaps we should direct our attack at them. Let's see if the kabbah stone in Mecca survives the intense heat of a thermonuclear device.

[Star Traveler]

You said -- "So, we take out Jerusalem to get at the Dome?"

Why are you thinking "overkill". Hey, I saw during the Gulf War missiles going down smokestacks. Why are you talking about taking out Jerusalem?

Regards,
Star Traveler

[Southack]

"You are so wrong. Artillery shells have been made, VERY small, that are 10kt and are simply Uranium 235 gun-type assemblies. No fancy 'worn out parts', nothing. They didn't test Little Boy design for that reason, and most likely neither did South Africa when they had them. This is the real threat, a 10-20kt non-boosted U-235 gun assembly that can be made as small as an artillery shell."

You seem to be operating from a Hollywood movie education on nukes, rather than the real thing.

Nuclear weapons require extensive, constant maintenance.

Suitcase nukes and artillery nukes are SMALLER than ordinary nukes.

The smaller the nuke, the shorter the shelf life.

The less shielding that you have, the sooner that your electronics and conventional explosives deteriorate from the radiation.

The less fissionable material that you have, the faster you generally need your atomic trigger isotopes to emit neutrons. The faster you emit neutrons, the shorter your half-life. The shorter your half-life, the less time that you have before the nuke simply fizzles instead of booms. Beryllium trigger isotopes can have as little as a 53 day half-life, for instance. Polonium 210, a Man-made isotope that can *only* be created in nuclear reactors or cyclotrons, has a 140 day half-life.

This is simple physics. Moreover, heavy metals like uranium and plutonium are among the most brittle materials known to man, and the slightest bit of humidity turns them into uranium oxide or plutonium oxide (i.e. worthless rust).

So a "suitcase nuke" from 1991 (the fall of the CCCP) is likely little more than a rusted, shattered, fragmented collection of wiring and explosives today.

They *require* a constant, highly professional level of maintenance that needs to be performed in very, very highly advanced clean room labs.

No maintenance means no "Boom."

"Little Boy" - The Uranium Bomb If you don't have enough fissionable material for a supercritical mass, then you get no "boom." A mere "critical mass" won't explode (just radiate). So unlike most things in life, nuclear physics can't just scale down atomic explosions by using less fisionable material...below a certain point (although smaller explosions can be made with larger amounts of fissionable material, if desired).

Uranium is a very fissionable isotope.  Unlike Plutonium, Uranium can be used in gun-type atomic bombs.  The American Richard Feynman was responsible for correctly calculating the amount of uranium needed to achieve critical mass (his enemy opponent in Germany, Heisenberg, got this math wrong - destroying Nazi efforts to build their Bomb). Critical mass is the amount of uranium needed to start a *self-sustaining* chain reaction. However, if you have a certain amount more than the required mass to start the reaction, a supercritical mass, the reaction would take place faster and grow exponentially (i.e. "explode"). Feynman calculated about 50 kilograms (110 lb.) of pure Uranium would be required. However, the Uranium obtained was seldom pure, so a larger amount would be needed. Robert Oppenheimer said that the required supercritical mass would be about 100 kilograms (220 lb.) of available, highly processed Uranium.

Name: Little Boy Type: Uranium gun-type fission Weight: 9,700lb (4400 kg) Length: 10 ft, 6 in (3.2m) Diameter: 29 in (0.737m) Explosive Yield: 15,000 tons of TNT

Hazards of Plutonium Storage and Handling:
http://www.ieer.org/sdafiles/vol_3/3-2/pudanger.html
"First, plutonium in some cases is pyrophoric (spontaneously igniting in air: see Dr. Egghead). Clean plutonium metal does not burn at room temperature, but the higher temperatures associated with machining plutonium metal have caused numerous fires in the finely-divided plutonium metal machine scraps. Second, the decay of short-lived plutonium-241 in plutonium metal yields americium-241, which emits penetrating gamma radiation."

July 26 USS Indianapolis arrives at Tinian, delivers the Little Boy gun and bullet.
Air Transport Command (ATC) then sends three C-54s from Kirtland AFB with one each of the three separate pieces of Little Boy's target assembly.

First Atomic Reactor Patent by Fermi, 1944

[RobbyS]

They will have missles capable of reaching Iraq, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Pakistan has no Petroleum reserves and it is countered by the Indian nukes. So the dynamic will be quite different.

[Fighting Irish]

Start here:

[Bob J]

"So these mullahs gave their approval for 9/11?"

From what I understand, yes.

"Interesting. Perhaps we should direct our attack at them."

All right, where are they?

[Star Traveler]

You said -- "I don't disagree there might be military ops around the globe, just no nuking of cities which is what some here are advocating."

I totally agree with *no nuking of cities* here. That's never been my contention. But, the *total elimination* of Islam -- BY ANY MEANS -- is my contention. Eliminate it totally, here in the U.S. and worldwide. Send the military on the several missions to destroy all significant religious sites in one day -- all at once. And then clean up afterwards.

It will be "shock and awe". They'll never recover...

Regards,
Star Traveler

I wouldn't doubt that some plans are in effect for precisely this -- IF -- we are ever nuked by Islamic Terrorists.

[Bob J]

I thought he was talking about nuking the Dome.

[elchrio]

Again, look at the damn W33. It weighed 250lbs and was a pure U235 gun bomb with NO INITIATOR NEEDED! U235 has a half life in the billions of years, and doesn't emmit a lot of bad rads on its own. The only part that could go bad is the explosives to send the U235 plug down the barrel, and that can be replaced EASILY.

This is not even a matter of debate!