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Evidently, you are one of the few Arizonans with a pro-illegal alien bias.

I'm not "pro-illegal". I'm pro-American. Real live English speaking Constitution respecting American.

You and I merely disagree on how to bring that about.

I say that trying harder at the same failed policy of the last 40 years is stupid. The assimilation policy of 100 years ago worked well, on a larger percentage of foreign born than we have now.

Conservatives are all for "original intent". But the "original intent" of the people that formed this country was to be a welcome space for all the freedom loving hard working people of the world.

You would have them erase the words etched on the Statue of Liberty.

one might wonder whether your particular interest here is economic and/or ethnic.

I have zero economic or racial motivation here. I merely respect my German, Mediterranean and Anglo immigrant ancestors and believe that if immigrants today are given the same options of assimilate or go home, then things will work out OK. Giving them an ultimatum of just go home has been demonstrated to be a non-starter, and you'll notice that with decades of Americans complaining about mexicans here in the US, they're still here. It's time to return to what worked.

Oh, you were doing so well until you mentioned the Socialist scrawlings on France's gift. I too spent time assimilating to German culture and found they were on par or better than the U.S. on several levels. Food inspections, strict record keeping that no one slides under and a law enforcement body that can machine-gun you down at a twitch made me respect their way of life. I especially liked how one is expected to pay the train fees on the honor system while found scofflaws are reviled by all when caught (soccer thugs exempted). We disagree over assimilation though you must have seen for yourself how liberal tolerance for the Turkish "guest workers" paid off. Don't know what you saw but I was attacked twice by Turks while in Germany - one demanded I purchase his drugs and another ordered me to buy his prostitute's services. I don't know how up you are on Islam but I don't recall that being legit. Now I just can't consider Islam a legitimate religion.

Back to the point - why should I give an inch to Indians so embarrassed by their backgrounds as to adhere to a fairy tale of "Aztlan"? They'd garner far more respect from the public if they just represented themselves as what they are.

"I'm not "pro-illegal". I'm pro-American. Real live English speaking Constitution respecting American."

Your posts say otherwise. You only respect the Constitution if you get to define what it says. If it stands for anything, the Constitution stands for the rule of law. When that rule of law goes against the illegal aliens, as it certainly does, then you revert to the words on the Statue of Liberty. Sorry, but that does not equate to your being a "Constitution respecting American".

"I say that trying harder at the same failed policy of the last 40 years is stupid."

Saying it doesn't make it true. Since our immigration policy has never been strictly enforced, it is total error to say it is "failed policy". But I am sure you believe it.

"The assimilation policy of 100 years ago worked well,..."

However well it did or didn't work, those were legal immigrants (not illegal aliens) who wanted to be Americans and therefore eagerly assimilated. We decided which ones to let in. The illegal aliens of today are not interested in becoming Americans, assimilate poorly or not at all, exploit the system at the expense of our taxpayers, and send the bulk of their earnings back to Mexico. Some assimilation.

"But the "original intent" of the people that formed this country was to be a welcome space for all the freedom loving hard working people of the world."

That was then, this is now. We welcome the immigrants we want here and who apply and enter legally. Don't try to tell me "original intent" means America wanted to be a doormat for every disaffected foreigner from any country who preferred to live in America. If that's your version of "original intent" you're not as bright as you would like us to believe.

"You would have them erase the words etched on the Statue of Liberty."

Those words are perfectly fine for people who apply legally and follow our immigration laws. Insofar as illegal aliens are concerned, those words do not apply.

"...and believe that if immigrants today are given the same options of assimilate or go home, then things will work out OK..."

Your faith in the illegal aliens is touching, but I have a more realistic view. They are not assimilating and they won't go home until we make it sufficiently uncomfortable for them. You may be willing to throw the dice that "things will work out OK" but loyal American conservatives require something much more substantial. Like a strict interior enforcement policy.

"Giving them an ultimatum of just go home has been demonstrated to be a non-starter,..."

Can't be a "non-starter" because it's never been enforced.

Let me put it this way. I have no interest in being inconvenienced in any way to accommodate your vision of how illegal aliens ought to be treated. They are lawbreakers and deserve no special treatment whatsoever. There are anywhere from 12 - 20 million of them in our country now, and tough measures are required to put a stop to this insanity.

"You and I merely disagree on how to bring that about."

Your disagreement is not only with me, but is also with every other loyal American conservative around here. Your posts are at odds with your claim to be a Constitution respecting American. But lets see how you feel about the values held by loyal American conservatives.

Those values are the defense of American sovereignty, the protection of our borders, and the preservation of American culture, customs, traditions and the English language.

Are they your values?

Yes or No. Any added conditions, qualifications, "buts", or lengthy explanations will mean that, whatever you really are, it isn't a loyal American conservative.

We'll all be waiting...