Blanket statements are almost never true. That's like saying every Republican is rich. Maybe many are. But certianly not all, and probably not even most.
If they were coming here to be Americans they would not have started out by breaking our laws. Being an American is not a piece of paper. They'd also learn English, pay taxes, not expect taxpayers to birth their babies...
They, even when granted citizenship, will retain their Mexican citizenship.
We should not allow dual citizenship. I'm not certian that we do, and if so, the law should be changed.
I don't think that WE do. It's not what WE allow, it's what Mexico and other countries allow. Javier Rodriguez, an organizer of the protests, was on Fox's "Day Side" yesterday, said he was a citizen of Mexico and the United States. I've read that Mexico, and I'm sure other countries, allow dual citizenship. We have no way of stopping them. Did you know that a few thousand Jews living in Israel, some of whom have not set foot in the States for twenty years, still hold citizenship here, so they can vote in our elections. I didn't until I read it on FR during the 2000 elections. There was concern that their votes would sway the election to Gore as so many claimed residency in FL.
They are coming here,as they have said, "to take back what was stolen from them."
The mouthy one's who get in front of cameras say that. Most just want a nice place to live and a job.
Those "mouthy one's" are the protest organizers. You'll never convince me they're not speaking for the group. A police officer told me, many years ago, "You are known by the company you keep."
We should believe people when they tell us what their intentions are.
If we allow them to be here legally, require them to learn english as a prerequiste to citizenship and voting, and disallow dual citizenship and mailing money to another country, then if their goal is "taking back what was stolen" it will have failed. This is the United States of America. We should welcome all good people here from all over the world, as long as they are willing to become Americans in language and culture. All others need not apply.
We will never require them to learn English, disallow dual citizenship and sending money back home. The A.C.L.U. and other lib groups will make sure of it.
I'm all for letting a good many of these people becoming citizens. First they have to go back and get behind their countrymen who are waiting and doing it by the book.
Our immigration system is supposed to have limits on how many people from each country/nationality come here. It was setup that way for fairness, and to make sure we don't have one nationality of unassimilated people trying to change our country into the cesspools they left.
I can tell by your words that you are a kind and trusting person. I once was. The Vaseline ran out when our government broke Reagan's promise allowing 12 + million illegals to invade us and my home was burgled by the two illegal invaders.
You likely think I'm dead wrong. What if I am? What happens if I get my way? What happens if you get yours? I try to take a logical approach to things. I've taken human nature, past behavior and information I've acquired studying this for twenty + years, and played both views out to the end. My conclusion is; I DO NOT WANT MY GRANDCHILDREN TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY RAN LIKE MEXICO. This is where we are heading if we don't stop. It has already become hard to recognize my hometown. Graffiti, drive by shooting of children playing in their front yards, disease, gun fights at flea markets, drugs, prostitution.....
You should do some soul searching, as I have over this. Ask yourself if you can live with the knowledge that you were instrumental in killing everything our forefathers fought so hard to give us. Remember these words; "We, the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquillity, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and SECURE THESE BLESSINGS OF LIBERTY TO OURSELVES AND OUR POSTERITY, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
Articulately stating many Americans' concerns....well said.
With our current immigration laws, there is no way they can be here legally.
They'd also learn English
We trap them in a Hispanic subculture limited to only a few jobs and living arrangements, so why should they? When they're legal, their options will be open, and we should then encourage them to break out of their third world culture and learn english. But for now, why should they bother? They're not welcome here. They're "illegal".
They, even when granted citizenship, will retain their Mexican citizenship.
And your crystal ball is where?
I don't think that WE do. It's not what WE allow, it's what Mexico and other countries allow.
And what's preventing us from revoking their US citizenship of they take up the citizenship of another country?
When people are naturalized as US citizens, I believe they must swear allegiance to the United States. If they break that oath, their citizenship should certainly be revoked.
Those "mouthy one's" are the protest organizers. You'll never convince me they're not speaking for the group.
It's in our power to remove the excuse for protest. And since they're not going anywhere, we may as well remove that excuse and make them legal and begin the english classes. We're wasting time now, and while we do, more are entering that will require assimilation. Let's get at it.
We will never require them to learn English, disallow dual citizenship and sending money back home.
You're probably right. Because to do that will require compromise, by giving them citizenship in return for their assimilation. That compromise is never likely to happen because of a mob of people screaming "no amnesty". Therefore the status quo will probably be maintained, while the problem grows worse.
Thanks.
I'm all for letting a good many of these people becoming citizens. First they have to go back and get behind their countrymen who are waiting and doing it by the book.
You don't get it. The "line" is longer than they're ever likely to live. What's the point?
Our immigration system is supposed to have limits on how many people from each country/nationality come here. It was setup that way for fairness,
It was set up that way to protect the union jobs of the Farm Workers in the 60's.
I can tell by your words that you are a kind and trusting person. I once was. The Vaseline ran out when our government broke Reagan's promise
Thank you for making my point. These people aren't going to be sent home this time either. We either "normalize" them somehow, and use that as a lever to push them into assimilation, or the status quo will be maintained until they actually *do* outnumber us and Aztlan is fulfilled.
. My conclusion is; I DO NOT WANT MY GRANDCHILDREN TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY RAN LIKE MEXICO.
I don't either. And since Reagan proved that not even a "law and order" Republican will have the brass to send these folks home, the only answer is assimilation. That won't happen unless we use their desire for normalization be the carrot to motivate their assimilation. That's what I think Bush has in mind, and I support him in it.
You should do some soul searching, as I have over this. Ask yourself if you can live with the knowledge that you were instrumental in killing everything our forefathers fought so hard to give us.
Am I the one being "instrumental in killing everything our forefathers fought so hard to give us"? Or are you?
This country has assimilated people from all over the world for centuries, yet we didn't get into a problem like this until we attempted to stop immigration. So why do you think that trying harder to stop immigration is the answer now? You're thinking like a liberal. Socialism has failed everywhere, so they believe they just need to try harder. Your "immigration limits" are failing like socialism, yet you want to try harder.
The efforts of the "no amnesty" crowd will merely prolong this, and the more it's prolonged the more powerful the mexican culture in the US becomes. It's time for a return to what succeeded a hundred years ago, assimilation. What we're doing now is failing.