With our current immigration laws, there is no way they can be here legally.
They'd also learn English
We trap them in a Hispanic subculture limited to only a few jobs and living arrangements, so why should they? When they're legal, their options will be open, and we should then encourage them to break out of their third world culture and learn english. But for now, why should they bother? They're not welcome here. They're "illegal".
They, even when granted citizenship, will retain their Mexican citizenship.
And your crystal ball is where?
I don't think that WE do. It's not what WE allow, it's what Mexico and other countries allow.
And what's preventing us from revoking their US citizenship of they take up the citizenship of another country?
When people are naturalized as US citizens, I believe they must swear allegiance to the United States. If they break that oath, their citizenship should certainly be revoked.
Those "mouthy one's" are the protest organizers. You'll never convince me they're not speaking for the group.
It's in our power to remove the excuse for protest. And since they're not going anywhere, we may as well remove that excuse and make them legal and begin the english classes. We're wasting time now, and while we do, more are entering that will require assimilation. Let's get at it.
We will never require them to learn English, disallow dual citizenship and sending money back home.
You're probably right. Because to do that will require compromise, by giving them citizenship in return for their assimilation. That compromise is never likely to happen because of a mob of people screaming "no amnesty". Therefore the status quo will probably be maintained, while the problem grows worse.
Thanks.
I'm all for letting a good many of these people becoming citizens. First they have to go back and get behind their countrymen who are waiting and doing it by the book.
You don't get it. The "line" is longer than they're ever likely to live. What's the point?
Our immigration system is supposed to have limits on how many people from each country/nationality come here. It was setup that way for fairness,
It was set up that way to protect the union jobs of the Farm Workers in the 60's.
I can tell by your words that you are a kind and trusting person. I once was. The Vaseline ran out when our government broke Reagan's promise
Thank you for making my point. These people aren't going to be sent home this time either. We either "normalize" them somehow, and use that as a lever to push them into assimilation, or the status quo will be maintained until they actually *do* outnumber us and Aztlan is fulfilled.
. My conclusion is; I DO NOT WANT MY GRANDCHILDREN TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY RAN LIKE MEXICO.
I don't either. And since Reagan proved that not even a "law and order" Republican will have the brass to send these folks home, the only answer is assimilation. That won't happen unless we use their desire for normalization be the carrot to motivate their assimilation. That's what I think Bush has in mind, and I support him in it.
You should do some soul searching, as I have over this. Ask yourself if you can live with the knowledge that you were instrumental in killing everything our forefathers fought so hard to give us.
Am I the one being "instrumental in killing everything our forefathers fought so hard to give us"? Or are you?
This country has assimilated people from all over the world for centuries, yet we didn't get into a problem like this until we attempted to stop immigration. So why do you think that trying harder to stop immigration is the answer now? You're thinking like a liberal. Socialism has failed everywhere, so they believe they just need to try harder. Your "immigration limits" are failing like socialism, yet you want to try harder.
The efforts of the "no amnesty" crowd will merely prolong this, and the more it's prolonged the more powerful the mexican culture in the US becomes. It's time for a return to what succeeded a hundred years ago, assimilation. What we're doing now is failing.
And YOUR crystal ball is where? We don't trap them. They can go home anytime they like. If you get your way I'll be the one who's trapped.
And what's preventing us from revoking their US citizenship of they take up the citizenship of another country?
They don't "take up citizenship of another country" they never drop their birth citizenship. I thought I had made that clear earlier. How would you purpose we go about finding out if they lied about renouncing citizenship of birth? Shall we monitor every phone call or piece of mail. WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING IF THEY REMAIN A CITIZEN OF ANOTHER COUNTRY.
When people are naturalized as US citizens, I believe they must swear allegiance to the United States. If they break that oath, their citizenship should certainly be revoked.
And we all know people who perjure themselves every time they fill out employment applications and all government forms will be truthful. I've got some real nice swamp land you might like to buy.
It's in our power to remove the excuse for protest. And since they're not going anywhere, we may as well remove that excuse and make them legal and begin the english classes. We're wasting time now, and while we do, more are entering that will require assimilation. Let's get at it.
These people have no excuse to be protesting. We, as the citizens of this country, have every right to pass any immigration law we please. We have the right to decide who's allowed here and who's not. By giving into these thugs we only insure their future demands and the further slid of our country into civil unrest.
You don't get it. The "line" is longer than they're ever likely to live. What's the point?
I "get it". What I also get is the reason why the line is long. WE CAN NOT TAKE EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO COME. The point is, we are not under any obligation to take anyone we don't want. If we decided tomorrow not to take another immigrant we do not have to. The fact that immigrants have always been allowed in means nothing. Almost every country on earth is made up of immigrants. Just because I drank Coca Cola for ten years doesn't forbid my drinking RC today. The United States allowed slavery for hundreds of years we do not, thank G-d, today.
Our immigration system is supposed to have limits on how many people from each country/nationality come here. It was setup that way for fairness,
It was set up that way to protect the union jobs of the Farm Workers in the 60's.
Would that be the union Latinos, many of whom were here illegally, formed.
I can tell by your words that you are a kind and trusting person. I once was. The Vaseline ran out when our government broke Reagan's promise and two illegal Mexicans broke into my home.
Thank you for making my point. These people aren't going to be sent home this time either. We either "normalize" them somehow, and use that as a lever to push them into assimilation, or the status quo will be maintained until they actually *do* outnumber us and Aztlan is fulfilled.
You seem to have missed my point, which was that if we "normalize" them we will be stuck with them. The government will never keep its promise to secure the border, and in another twenty years we'll be asked to do this again only it will be fifty million illegals.
My conclusion is; I DO NOT WANT MY GRANDCHILDREN TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY RAN LIKE MEXICO.
I don't either. And since Reagan proved that not even a "law and order" Republican will have the brass to send these folks home, the only answer is assimilation. That won't happen unless we use their desire for normalization be the carrot to motivate their assimilation. That's what I think Bush has in mind, and I support him in it.
Most of these people came in after Reagan's term. These people came in under Clintoon and Bush. Clintoon/Gore fast tracked thousands, mostly Hispanics, into citizenship just before election time so they could vote. Which is one of the reasons we have this problem today. I like to think Reagan would not have screwed the American people this way. The person we need in office is someone who sees this for what it is. THIS IS AN INVASION.
You should do some soul searching, as I have over this. Ask yourself if you can live with the knowledge that you were instrumental in killing everything our forefathers fought so hard to give us.
Am I the one being "instrumental in killing everything our forefathers fought so hard to give us"? Or are you?
You are.
This country has assimilated people from all over the world for centuries, yet we didn't get into a problem like this until we attempted to stop immigration. So why do you think that trying harder to stop immigration is the answer now? You're thinking like a liberal. Socialism has failed everywhere, so they believe they just need to try harder. Your "immigration limits" are failing like socialism, yet you want to try harder.
Wrong. This problem started when our $&%$%$##%$$# Supreme Court made the d#*$ a$$ decision to force American taxpayers to foot the bill for educating illegal invaders children and provide emergency medical care for them all. Before that most illegals were men who left there families back home. Now, with all the "It freeee" things they receive they bring their families with them. I told you I've studied this for over twenty years.
Seeing how socialist and communist groups are behind these marches, you need to ask the illegal invaders, and yourself, why you want socialism here.
The efforts of the "no amnesty" crowd will merely prolong this, and the more it's prolonged the more powerful the mexican culture in the US becomes. It's time for a return to what succeeded a hundred years ago, assimilation. What we're doing now is failing.
You need to get a ticket for the clue bus. The only thing we, the "no amnesty crowd", are trying to prolong is what you seem to wish to hand over on a platter. Yes, what we are doing now is failing. BECAUSE WE ARE DOING NOTHING.
The only smart thing you've said is that we're waisting time. The only question I have for you is, why are you so hell bent on Hispanics taking over the States? Everyone I've had this argument with is in some way benefiting from them. What's your thirty pieces.