No Left Turn (illegal aliens)

National Review Online ^ | April 25, 2006 | NRO

[neverdem]

The latest line from the open-borders lobby is that the American public is now with them. Don’t believe it. The latest Gallup poll, from early April, has 47 percent of the public thinking that immigration should be decreased, compared with 35 percent who want it left as is and only 15 percent who want it increased. President Bush, John McCain, the Chamber of Commerce, and much of the rest of the great and good are siding with that 15 percent — and, all too often, condemning the great majority of the American public as “yahoos.”

It is true that some poll questions, read in isolation, appear to support the president. The same Gallup poll asked if illegal aliens should all be deported, should be allowed to remain in the U.S. for a limited time, or should be allowed to stay here and become citizens if they meet certain conditions. The last option won 63 percent support. But there are two things worth noticing here. The first is that the list of options is artificially limited. Respondents were not allowed to say that they favored shrinking the illegal population over time by stepping up enforcement of the law. A contemporaneous Fox News poll shows 57 percent support for “trying to send as many illegal immigrants back to their home countries as possible.”

The second is that the question does not specify whether the law would be enforced against new illegal immigrants. If we brought immigration down to a manageable, which is to say more easily assimilable, level — by, for example, bringing the arrival rate of new illegals down to a fraction of what it is now while leaving legal-immigration levels unchanged — then we might favor lenient treatment for some of the illegal immigrants already here ourselves.

To put it another way: Amnesty is not the most objectionable feature of the president’s plan. It is the combination of amnesty with laxity in enforcement and a new guest-worker program to which we object. If we are not going to require employers to take the simplest steps to verify the legal status of their employees, then an amnesty will simply act as a magnet for more illegal immigration in the future.

Gallup also has the country evenly split on the merits of building a wall along the Mexican border. Fox News finds 73 percent wanting “fines and criminal charges against employers who hire illegal immigrants.” The only real change in the politics of this issue isn’t any new support for open borders. It is Republicans’ increased fear, brought on by the illegal-immigrant rallies and the ecstatic media coverage thereof, of being labeled racist or anti-immigrant.

The wisest course for Republicans would be to say something like the following: “Immigration has made this country better. Immigration can continue to work for America if we make sure that it proceeds in an orderly, manageable, and rational way. We will enforce our laws at the border and the workplace. Once we have brought illegal immigration under control, we will consider increasing legal immigration levels and granting an amnesty to some illegal immigrants who are already here. Whatever we decide, we will at all times treat illegal immigrants humanely.”

Republicans who defend these views will of course be called racist and anti-immigrant (sometimes by conservatives who should know better). The response should be that anyone who makes that accusation is calling the American public racist — which isn’t a winning election platform.

[neverdem]

The Hispanic Challenge (To America) A MUST READ Samuel Huntington (Long But Good)

The Mexicans are unlike previous immigrants. This Huntington article definitely needs to be read by everyone at least once! It should be linked on pertinent immigration threads. Here's an interesting link about Samuel Huntington:

"Strangely enough, despite the fact that he was buddies with Henry Kissinger at Harvard, he is registered as a member of the Democratic Party, and has written foreign policy speeches for Adlai Stevenson, Hubert Humphrey, and Jimmy Carter."

THREATS AND RESPONSES: LEGISLATION; SENATE VOTES, 90-9, TO SET UP A HOMELAND SECURITY DEPT. GEARED TO FIGHT TERRORISM

Senator Phil Gramm of Texas, the president's chief Senate supporter in changing the Civil Service protections in the bill, acknowledged that Democrats had written 95 percent of the bill and acknowledged the paradoxical role of small-government Republicans like him in advocating for such a large department.

And which party is now making it useless.

Bush: Democrat killed immigration bill

In private as well as public, Reid and Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., who heads the party's campaign effort, said they did not want to expose rank-and-file Democrats to votes that would force them to choose between border security and immigrant rights, only to wind up with legislation that would be eviscerated in future negotiations with the House, which has passed a bill limited to boosting border security.

Harry Reid: now and then

Path to Deportation Can Start With a Traffic Stop

[dirtboy]

The wisest course for Republicans would be to say something like the following: “Immigration has made this country better. Immigration can continue to work for America if we make sure that it proceeds in an orderly, manageable, and rational way. We will enforce our laws at the border and the workplace. Once we have brought illegal immigration under control, we will consider increasing legal immigration levels and granting an amnesty to some illegal immigrants who are already here. Whatever we decide, we will at all times treat illegal immigrants humanely.”

Get things under control first. And then we can have a relevant debate about what to do going forward.

[FDNYRHEROES]

Let's build the wall,...ASAFP

[Semper Paratus]

Congress responded to the vox populi on the Dubai Port Deal with great alacrity but are sitting on their hands on immigration.

[jackbenimble]

Congress responded to the vox populi on the Dubai Port Deal with great alacrity but are sitting on their hands on immigration.

That is because their puppet masters in the US Chamber of Commerce were taken by surprise by the Dubai Port Deal and did not have time to distribute sufficient bribes campaign donations to ensure a favorable vote. They have had lots of time to buy off the Senate on the immigration issue and they own most of them lock, stock and barrel.

[Salgak]

I keep telling people. . .

A wall won't work. A minefield, OTOH, will. . . . (evil grin)

And, hey, the politically correct HATE landmines. . . I call that a DOUBLE BONUS SCORE !!

[TheCrusader]

It all boils down to how many of the illegal aliens who sneak into the country under the radar of the law are ready to work and pay taxes for their fare, build upon what we already have, integrate into the greater culture and become prepared to defend our country with their lives if necessary. In other words, are they here for purely self-serving purposes, or do they want to become Americans in the traditional/historical sense? Since there is no way to give any litmus test to the 15 million illegals in our midst, America needs to restrict the flow of immigrants with a sound immigration system that is both fair and ENFORCED. And while it's impossible and probably wrong to just go out and round up every illegal we can find and deport them en masse, there is certainly nothing wrong with taking our border security and immigration policies seriously and begin to put an end to this continuous flow of unknowns into our country. Something needs to be done, and Bush's amnesty plan isn't the answer.

Blanket amnesty is dangerous, because we don't know who we're forgiving, or what crimes they've committed in their country of origin or right here on U.S. soil. What's worse, we don't know what they're planning to do in the future, we just might be granting amnesty to hundreds (or thousands) of terrorists who will one day soon make our suicidal immigration policies blow up in our faces, literally.

If we just throw away the concept of borders, culture and language, then we have freely given away the entire dream that our American ancestors and Founding Fathers shed their sweat and blood to acheive. We are losing our country to the globalists and socialists, and anybody who believes that President Bush is going to do anything to stop the madness has another thought coming. He spits in the face of those brave Americans who made a courageous stand at the Alamo against an overwhelming force of foreign invaders from Mexico by flinging open the Southern borders and arrogantly refusing to enforce U.S. immigration laws that he is sworn to uphold. Davy Crockett, Jim Bowie, Col. Sam Houston? They're just a bunch of 'vigilantes' to President Bush. You've heard of 'revisionist' history? Well we are now living in revisionist America, where nothing is as it was, and everything is as the politicians want you to see it as.

[Rakkasan1]

we can only place and pay for minefields for other people's borders (like South Korea)

name it the Linda McCartney Memorial Minefield?

[neverdem]

Congress responded to the vox populi on the Dubai Port Deal with great alacrity but are sitting on their hands on immigration.

Congress RINOs and dems responded to the vox populi on the Dubai Port Deal with great alacrity but are sitting on their hands on immigration.

IMHO, that's more accurate.

[groovejedi]

Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels!~

[Aetius]

What is interesting about that part of the editorial is how they seem to advocate increasing legal immigration (perhaps in a futile way to avoid being called names), while earlier they admitted that the public overwhelmingly opposes such action.

That's one thing that bothers me about this debate -- the seeming consensus among the elites that any part of immigration reform MUST include an increase in legal immigration as one way to combat future illegal immigration, even though the American people don't want it, and even though there is little chance that it would be of benefit to the nation as a whole.

[TigersEye]

What is the agenda behind the marches, behind the "immigration reform?" Look at who the people are and what they say. Consider the results of what will happen with an amnesty.

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This is not about workers rights or fair immigration policies. It has to do with international communist/socialist orgs looking to gain the political upperhand in the U.S..

Posted by JeffHead Jeff links to Mexica.org's 'after protest' pic fest. You can see there what the marchers thought they were marching for.

A poster for Friday’s march. March 31. This poster lists the Latino orgs that are promoting the protests. They are all communist/socialist front orgs.

Here is my analysis of what is going on behind the scenes.

Here is some evidence that 'amnesty' increases illegal entries. These people knew before the demonstrations that the time was ripe.

Smith Act of 1940 This is the U.S. statute that ought to apply to the organized gathering of tens of thousands of foreign nationals calling for the overthrow of our country.

I need to make a correction to my previous postings. H.R. 4437 does not simplify the process of documenting employees. The article at that last link says this:

No Elimination and Reduction of Employment Eligibility Documents. One of the few positive aspects of a mandatory employment eligibility system would be the simplification of the hiring process by reducing the number of documents employers would have to verify to one or two. The bill does not do so. Several other reform proposals (such as the Dreier bill, H.R. 98) provide for such simplification by requiring the use of a tamperproof Social Security card and no others. The bill only studies the use of such documents but does not eliminate the use of any documents and the confusion such documents cause employers.

My apologies to all for proliferating confusion on that. This means that H.R. 4437, the best of all bills so far put forward by our esteemed Congress, isn't too good after all.

Understand that the provision that the protesters say is 'racist,' that makes illegals felons, was inserted by the Dems a short time ago. That clarifies why Hillary happened to discover the immigration issue a week before the marches. Why she demonized Republicans as "making Jesus a criminal."

Keep in mind just who organized these protests. Who provided the tens of thousands of T-shirts, the thousands of professionally made signs, the hours and hours of promotion on Spanish language radio and TV stations. It has been noticed that Islamic orgs names and logos appear on some of these signs as well. Remember that NEA teachers and administrators are the ones who have assisted the march organizers by providing bussing for their students, hoisting Mexican flags at school and overlooking the truancy.

Don't forget that the last two Presidential elections were nearly 50/50. Think about how our Congress is looking for a way to appease these foreign nationals through legislation. No election necessary. The outcome of legalizing 11 million illegals and encouraging more to come will be a solid lock for the left forevermore in national elections. We don’t need an ‘immigration’ bill. We need and want a border security and illegal aliens bill. An immigration/guest worker bill can come after that is done.

Mexico is Rich- Mexican wealthy play American taxpayers for suckers

Good thread for any that missed it. It should really make you mad.

Every dollar spent in U.S. taxes for social services for illegal aliens frees up additional cash to be sent south as part of the annual remittances which provided $20 billion in 2005. According to the CNN news show Lou Dobbs Tonight (3/21/05), "Remittances, as they're called, are expected to become Mexico's primary source of income this year, surpassing the amount of money that Mexico makes on oil exports for the first time ever."

Mexico’s Ideal Immigraton Law – Let’s try it here at home Read how Mexico deals with foreigners. Where is the equanimity?

Mayans in Chiapas Region Convert to Islam

The bill that was just defeated in the Senate was an amnesty, plain and simple. But take a look at what these treasonous scumbags tried to hide in it. They will be back and we can expect more of this if we do not act decisively.

Hidden Bombs (Extremely Important Article on Immigration)

The second nasty surprise? Just before the committee approved the bill on the evening of March 27, Sen. Richard Durbin (D-Ill.) offered the "DREAM Act" as an amendment. It passed on a voice vote.

The DREAM Act is a nightmare. It repeals a 1996 law that prohibits state universities from offering in-state tuition rates to illegal aliens. The principle, of course, is that no illegal alien should be entitled to receive a taxpayer-subsidized benefit that out-of-state U.S. citizens can't get. But the committee's bill allows illegals to be treated better than those U.S. citizens on tuition.

Here is another reason Washington doesn't seem to want to do anything helpful.

CFR's Plan to Integrate the U.S., Mexico and Canada

Globalization: The Final Demise of National Security

What does the White House think about all of this?

U.S. Senator John McCain is offering $50.00 an hour to anyone willing to stay in Yuma for 1 year and pick lettuce. (the season is actually about 18 weeks in mid-winter)

Here are his numbers. They will ask you for your name address and phone number.

241 Russell Senate Ofc. Bldg. United States Senate , Washington DC 20510 Phone: (202) 224-2235 Fax: (202) 228-2862

Phoenix 5353 North 16th Street Suite 105 Phoenix, Arizona 85016 Phone: (602) 952-2410 Fax: (602) 952-8702

Tempe 4703 S. Lakeshore Drive Suite 1 Tempe, Arizona 85282 Phone: (480) 897-6289 Fax: (480) 897-8389

Tucson 407 W. Congress Street Suite 103 Tucson, Arizona 85701 Phone: (520) 670-6334 Fax: (520) 670-6637

What is it with McCain?

[hyperconservative]

Good points. I also notice a push for a third party coming from various members of the swine family so that their queen, the witch named hillary can waltz into Our White House the same way her swampthing hubby did. If just 10 or 15% of voters leave the two treason parties, the witch could easily win in 2008. The two traitor parties are making themselves awfully unappealing--more so than usual.
Of course, they could just be itching to cause a whole lot of civil unrest so they can finally impose full scale martial law on us.No more incremental sh!t.