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Vouchers Will Cut Taxes (2nd Thoughts)
County Press ^ | William W. Lawrence

Posted on 04/24/2006 4:34:30 AM PDT by Tribune7

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21 posted on 04/24/2006 7:19:40 PM PDT by Born Conservative (Chronic Positivity - http://jsher.livejournal.com/)
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To: Kaylee Frye
correct. tuition tax credits are preferable. Keeping the status quo is easier than innovating.If vouchers are going to siphon money from government schools why isn't the same true in higher education? I don't hear state college professors running around crying about Pell grant("government dollars") money "unfairly" being used to attend St.Thomas,Gustavus,St.Johns or other private religiously affiliated schools. What happened to the imaginary wall of church and state there?

Since government doesn't create wealth and only consumes it, how can it give parents back what was always theirs anyway? Part of the beauty of being an American is choices.Look in the yellow pages. Thirty-one flavors or thirty thousand attorneys to choose from.Variety is a good thing.Some may choose for proximity,some for class size,some for shared belief systems,or a class for gifted mathematicians.Why is choice and competition considered good in everything except education?

22 posted on 04/24/2006 7:35:59 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 (they love you in Mexico until you pay in pesos.)
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To: Tribune7
Funny you mentioned it... I just heard of Grove City College recently and looked into it. It certainly seems to be a great example of what a college can do privately without gov't funding. Just digressing there...

Meanwhile, parents who can't homeschool get to vote with their voucher what they want taught and who they want to teach it.

They're voting with some of my family's money, forcibly taken from us. Our hardearned tax dollars. There's almost no such thing as parents who can't homeschool. It's rare. I know single parents homeschooling. Parents just don't want to do it, which is fine! That's their choice! But they should make that choice on their own dollar.

23 posted on 04/24/2006 9:36:52 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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To: agrace; bboop; cgk; Conservativehomeschoolmama; cyborg; cyclotic; dawn53; Diva Betsy Ross; ...

Homeschool Ping

Vouchers for private schools? Pro vs. Con


24 posted on 04/24/2006 9:38:45 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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To: Tired of Taxes
They're voting with some of my family's money, forcibly taken from us. Our hardearned tax dollars.

That is true. Of course, the money (tens maybe hundreds of billions annually) is forcibly taken from us now except it is given directly to socialists who hate everything you stand for and who are almost completely unaccountable to anything except the NEA.

If tax dollars are going to be spent on education -- and they are -- vouchers are the way to spend them.

25 posted on 04/25/2006 4:20:21 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: AlexandriaDuke
The energy devoted to "fixing" government schools

You can't fix government schools.

26 posted on 04/25/2006 4:24:11 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Rakkasan1
Why is choice and competition considered good in everything except education?

Well, it's not hee hee. If you have the only bakery in town you are not going to consider a new one opening up good. And if you have the power of the state to mandate use of your bakery along with tax subsidies, it will be pretty hard to compete with it.

And needless to say your bakery will be produce a pretty poor product.

27 posted on 04/25/2006 4:27:45 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7

If they gave me 3000.00 of my own money back per child, I would go to a Virtual Elementary. The most expensive is 1800.00.

SOS has one (it would be considered a private school) and it's what we are using now, only on CD-ROM.


28 posted on 04/25/2006 4:43:03 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: netmilsmom
If they gave me 3000.00 of my own money back per child, I would go to a Virtual Elementary. The most expensive is 1800.00.

Cyber schools are another innovation opposed by the powers that be. The educational establishment hates education.

The goal of a educational system ought to be to create a literate, numerate society with knowledge of their legal rights and responsibilities.

The goal of our educational establishment is to get the most amount of money with the least amount of work.

29 posted on 04/25/2006 5:18:04 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Tired of Taxes
I know that's the hope, but the opposite will happen. Gov't funding is never temporary. After vouchers, the private schools will start calling for more gov't funds, and eventually all schools will be public schools.

Please don't underestimate the power of competition.... I see a future of private schools in every neighborhood, some small, and some the size of Walmart....but above all...the parental freedom to select a safe and successful school that fits the particular needs every child.....not the socialist cookie-cutters of today.

30 posted on 04/25/2006 5:24:55 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: Tribune7

The more this thread evelops, the more alarmed I am by Freepers using the term 'government funds'. Those funds are not the governments!! Just because they're taken from us and redistributed, the control freaks think they own that money.

IT'S STILL OURS.

If we exert some political will, we can call the shots here. Just because our tax money is put into a particular place, it's as if the libs have decided that they hold all authority and power over any and all activities that ensue. This house of cards is all erected on a leftist judiciary, and that's currently coming to an end.

I love the smell of napalm in the morning.


31 posted on 04/25/2006 5:29:48 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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To: ovrtaxt
IT'S STILL OURS.

Worth repeating.

32 posted on 04/25/2006 7:05:42 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: ovrtaxt
IT'S STILL OURS.

Since we're considering the impossible (taking government out of education), would someone care to explain why those of us who choose not to have children, those of us who homeschool, those of us who pay for private education for our children are still required to pay taxes so that those who irresponsibly have children, don't care about their children's education, etc. can send their children to "free" (you get what you pay for) public schools.

Call me stingy if you like, but philosophically, I have a problem with taking money from the masses to pay for something that isn't even mentioned in the Constitution.

33 posted on 04/25/2006 9:00:39 AM PDT by Small-L (I'm a staunch libertarian Republican, but I refuse to vote for a RINO)
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To: ovrtaxt
I love the smell of napalm in the morning.

Do I smell a revolution (hopefully peaceful) brewing? With a 27% approval rating for Congress and a whopping 32% for Bush, I have the feeling that everyone is Washington is fiddling while the country burns.

They may be removed from reality or living in a bubble, but I don't believe that our Congresspeople or the Republican Party understand the anger that is spreading in their political base. I think it goes beyond dissatisfaction--I'm hearing real anger in many. Promises of reforming education (Reagan and the Party campaigned on eliminating the Department of Education) have turned to doubling what we spend on Education to institute a paperwork monster hoax called "No Child Left Behind."

Those who are listening are being told to shut-up and sit down (Repubican Study Committee). The Democrats hold a 10% lead in most polls when asked which party you would vote for for Congress. I fear that Bill Frist will be writing a sequal to "A National Party No More." When is the Republican Party going to get the picture?

34 posted on 04/25/2006 9:13:45 AM PDT by Small-L (I'm a staunch libertarian Republican, but I refuse to vote for a RINO)
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To: Small-L

>>Call me stingy if you like, but philosophically, I have a problem with taking money from the masses to pay for something that isn't even mentioned in the Constitution.<<

Okay stingy, I agree with you totally.
For years I was single, owned a house and had no kiddies.
Now I homeschool.

They take my money no matter what.


35 posted on 04/25/2006 1:39:16 PM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: Small-L
When is the Republican Party going to get the picture?

They don't want to win.If they really removed the Dems as viable opposition, they would deal with an immediate internal war between conservatives and RINOs. It's a battle they don't want.

It might happen among Freepers and likeminded folks, but it won't happen on a large scale as long as the possibility of Hillary or Kerry or whoever hangs out there.

The fear of the Dems keeps the Reps united for voting purposes. They are selling America for a short term power trip.

36 posted on 04/25/2006 2:00:54 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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To: cbkaty
Please don't underestimate the power of competition.... I see a future of private schools in every neighborhood, some small, and some the size of Walmart....but above all...the parental freedom to select a safe and successful school that fits the particular needs every child.....not the socialist cookie-cutters of today.

Amen to that! But, voucher-supported schools are not private. They're gov't-subsidized.

37 posted on 04/25/2006 3:33:23 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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To: Tribune7

Let's be patient. Gov't-run schools won't last forever. All socialist systems come apart eventually. It will reach a point where the school taxes are so high and more and more parents are removing their children from those schools, and that's when more options (in the private sector) will come into play.

Take my school district as an example: It passed that point, and finally the school is cutting positions and trying to stay within a budget. Now they're working on an internet-based cyber-academy that will enable kids to receive high school credit from home. Eventually, maybe more and more parents will take advantage of that option. That could mean, eventually, no school building to heat and maintain, which would translate into lower costs. And, as people become more independent, they might like other cyberschools on the private market better. And so on.

But, if we subsidize private schools, we'll be making them into public schools.

Besides, this idea of school 5 days/week, 6-7 hours/day is behind the times. We're a fast-paced, internet society. There's benefit to getting together with one's peers and learning along with them, but it isn't necessary every single weekday, all day long.


38 posted on 04/25/2006 3:56:27 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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To: Tired of Taxes
Nope. Vouchers now
39 posted on 04/25/2006 3:59:17 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Tired of Taxes
Dismantle the whole system.

No kidding. Feed, cloth and educate your children.

Don't expect the government to do it for you.

40 posted on 04/25/2006 4:09:11 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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