Islamist protest in N.Y. – 'Mushroom cloud on way'

WorldNetDaily ^ | 4/22/06

[Calpernia]

Walid Shoebat gets paid quite a few thousands of dollars for doing speaking engagements.

[kcar]

I'm not saying we should have retreated in Kerryescque manner, left friends to die, but that we should have been less specifically and less expensively reconstructive. Provided a bridge over time for people to decide whether they want to risk fighting for democracy or not. There's a fine line there. For it to be successful it must be desired and fought for. If they go for it it's in our long-term interests to help them. But if it is merely handed over they won't cherish it or die for it, but we will, needlessly.

At any rate, it's still well within our rights to take exception to Bush's notion that Islam is anything but a horrible ideology of venomous hate that seeks to subjugate and destroy anyone it perceives as weak.

[Calpernia]

Walid Shoebat:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1531471/posts
Inside the mind of a suicide bomber - 3 ex-terrorists to give insights at Princeton event

A radio show they did that you can listen to is at post:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1531471/posts?page=87#87

[Star Traveler]

You said -- "'ll try, but her schedule keeps her on the move. In the meantime, I told her I'd keep her in touch with FR and pass any messages on from her. Maybe that's where the ping list will come in."

She's big on contacting elected representatives -- because, as she points out, one call or letter or contact represents 1,000 couch potatoes (who don't call, but will vote the same way).

So, perhaps she'd like you to pass on these kinds of things having to do with certain legislation that gets on her radar screen.

Regards,
Star Traveler

[Calpernia]

>>>I'm not saying we should have retreated in Kerryescque manner, left friends to die, but that we should have been less specifically and less expensively reconstructive.

And, if we left, how would we retrieve all the weapons in the tunnels?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1618601/posts
Saddam's bomb? [Saddam had and tested a nuclear weapon?]

The weapons are still there. The tunnel network connects from Iraq to Syria to Iran.

copy of the original letter sent out from syria.

The Following information were taken from GlobalSecurity.org

Click on the small image to view a larger version

Overview of the Middle East with Syria in the center	Al Safir SCUD Base and Weapons Depot, Syria
Tactical Pilotage Chart with NIMA CIB imagery overlay showing the general location of the Al Safir SCUD base	Tactical Pilotage Chart with NIMA CIB imagery overlay showing Al Safir
Russian 1:200,00 Map of the Al Safir chemical weapons plant and storage area as of 1980	The CW plant and storage area in the western canyon are visible. The munitions storage area would not be detected until 1987. Work on the underground SCUD base would not be visible until 1995. Completion of the Tunnel complex and the SCUD support base was detected in the July 2002 Digital Globe image
Russian 1:50,000 Map of the Al Safir Scud base as of 1987	Syrian 1:50,000 Map as of 1994. The omission of the facility from the Syrian government's map is a sure indicator that the facility is of military nature
Digital Globe image taken on 30 July 2002 of the Al Safir CW plant and SCUD base. Al Safir is protected by an SA-2 SAM battery	Overview of the probable SCUD support base and underground facility. A munitions storage area lies to the right
Close-up of the munitions storage area. Additional storage bunkers have been added between 1987 and 1995	An Russian-build SA-2 surface-to-air-missile site, defending the storage area and underground facility
Close-up of the SA-2 SAM site with Guideline missiles on launchers, Fan Song Radar, and Control Vans. Cable are visible running from the command van to the launchers	Overview of the Al Safir chemical weapons plant. Expansion took place between 1987 and 1995
This high-voltage sub-station is an indicator of the presence of activity requiring a large volume of electricity. A normal warehouse complex would not require this much energy	These forced-air cooling towers also indicate the presence of an industrial process requiring the disposal of waste heat. Chemical processes for nerve agents produce highly unstable intermediates that react explosively with water. Steam-heating and water cooling must be replaced with special heat-exchange fluids and heating oils that require the use of cooling towers rather than steam vents
The co-location of munitions storage igloos within the security perimeter of the processing facility is an additional indicator of the Chemical weapons nature of this plant	The lower storage igloos were added sometime between 1995 and 2002
The munitions storage area on the right was built sometime between 1980 and 1987. The buildings on the left are probably associated with SCUD missiles deployed underground and were built after 1995.	These storage igloos are located at a separate facility, which was built between 1980 and 1987
Between 1995 and 2002 an Underground Facility (UGF) was built as well as above-ground support facilities, possibly to house SCUD-D missiles Syria reportedly acquired in 19XX.	These buildings were built after 1995 and are probably associated with SCUD missiles housed underground. The large building measures 30 x 130 meters
A probable command and control facility, located near the tunnel entrances to an underground facility where the Weapons of Mass Destruction are hidden.	The Tunnel entrances are protected by the box canyon walls, from direct attack from precision-guided munitions. Each of the three tunnel portals is more than wide enough to accommodate the Soviet-build MAZ-543 transporter for the SCUD missile

The above information were taken from GlobalSecurity.org

[Star Traveler]

You said -- "I know that he was trying to get along with evil men, but this is still no exuse for him being a liar to his people. He does know better."

It's war -- it's propaganda. It's misleading the enemy and not getting the "masses" in Islam too stirred up -- or the "Islamic pot" would boil over to the point where we couldn't contain it.

It's turning Islam's own game on itself.

Regards,
Star Traveler

[kcar]

That would be the reason why we stay, e.g., temporarily to identify the threats against America and to remove them, and beyond that we give the folks a chance and leave. Not too rebuild an oasis, a flower of democracy in the Middle East. Democracy is overrated, (Hamas). Just remove the threats that caused the action to be contemplated.

No need to embrace Allah and his loving ways.

[Calpernia]

We are still there. By the time the threat is removed, then we will be gone.

[Centurion2000]

Why in the "h" are we putting up with these anti-semitic clowns?

Because Congress didn't have the balls to actually declare war and bring the sedition laws into effect.

[kcar]

Okay I assume you believe that our objectives are that pragmatic and not overwieldingly optimistic, as was the fear I expressed via the Katrina analogy. I am not so sure.

However, my original point was that Bush's Religion-of-Peace judgment was a piece of BS. If you're contention was that yes it was, but it was a necessary PR to let the job done and secure the threats, we're on the same page. But nothing in that stops us, the American people, from saying, "Yeah, right" re: this religion of peace tripe. No I really wouldn't want to see him impeached for that - that was inflamed talk (brought about by flag-stamping mushroom-cloud loving schmucks).

[Mr. Mojo]

The means to wipe any single country off the map exist. And any country that sponsored nuclear terrorism would most certainly be alone.

Although it's true that nuclear terrorists would most likely only have one sponsor nation, we have the means to completely annihilate entire continents simultaneously. ....so even if several nations are involved we'd be able to retaliate effectively.

[Calpernia]

I responded to your original point

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1619734/posts?page=184#184

And if you want me to understand anything else you posted, use less adjectives.

[Emmet Fitzhume]

Amen!!!

Tell it from the highest mountain!

[Star Traveler]

You said -- "Walid Shoebat gets paid quite a few thousands of dollars for doing speaking engagements."

No one will pay me for speaking. But, that's not such a great loss, anyway. If I spoke out against Islam -- they would just say I was a racist-whitey who hates Muslims.

But, when you get a former Muslim who has found the truth of the Bible and says that Islam is evil -- that's worth a lot of money. It's hard for the Islamic radicals to combat that. That's why they keep trying to kill him (or anyone else like him).

Keep paying him -- because he's worth all the money he can get -- if he informs more of the ignoramuses in the U.S.

Regards,
Star Traveler

[tflabo]

"Fools. Don't they know God has promised honor His covenant with Israel...and that all they are doing is calling out for their own destruction."

and the Biblical scriptural basis for this statement can be found in the Old Testament book of Ezekiel chapter 38-39.

[coydog]

Radical Islam = The Kufi Klux Klan

[Calpernia]

I don't want to hijack this thread about Shoebat.

There is a thread for him here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1619734/posts?page=203#203

If you want to bring this to that thread, I will follow up with you later. I'm going to bed shortly.

[kcar]

It isn't a line when the religious following is being rebuilt along with the countries.

That is what I am doubtful of. Democracy can built from scratch, like in Palestintian areas, and yet see them choose Hamas terrorists. Democracy in Iraq could well choose three different religious regions, as previosuly noted. If you're saying that we're reconstructing Islam as well throughout the region, and isolating the extremists and in the process making the Religion of Peace line a new viable reality, that would be a bit of optimism and faith in the President that I do not share.

[MaineVoter2002]

Preaching hate and violence

[Calpernia]

You are mixing up a lot of different factors.

There are new leaders being propped up.

Iraqis are supporting their leaders, voting, and rebuilding.

Now, you bring in Hamas. Palestinians voted with Carter there. Show me it was not a rigged election.