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This is going on CBS on Sunday. Yawn.
1 posted on 04/22/2006 6:32:24 AM PDT by Andy5000
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To: Andy5000

CBS is trying to sell this as new information. Do a quick search on the CIA proponent. He's been shopping this story around for a long time.


28 posted on 04/22/2006 6:59:28 AM PDT by putupjob
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That the CIA said there were no WMD should have been enough to convince Bush that Iraq did have WMD.

The CIA's record for accuracy is shaky.


30 posted on 04/22/2006 7:00:13 AM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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Yawn, you go with the preponderonce of the evidence, and whats prudent at the time. Some sources said no, some said yes, most said probably, so what do you go with? With the yes, of course! To do otherwise would be criminally negligent.

But the truth isn't whats important to the MSM, the "story" is, and they are all reading from the same script. Its part of the groupthink that envelopes the MSM, a culture they don't even understand exists, because once immersed, it is self reinforcing. It wouldn't be so bad if they could at least admit it to themselves, but no, they hold themselves up as that paragons of virtue and truth....

37 posted on 04/22/2006 7:09:43 AM PDT by Paradox (Removing all Doubt since 1998!)
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To: Andy5000
adds to earlier accusations that the Bush administration used intelligence selectively

Well, duh! All decision makers, from the guy who runs the local hardware store, all the way up to the President of The United States use information selectively. If all of the information is consistent, and paints the same picture, there won't be much for the decision maker to do. His job is to take intelligence that sometimes conflicts with other intelligence, and, by golly, select the more credible evidence and then act accordingly.

Far be it from the drive-by media to note that the intelligence which Bush did select, which indicated that Saddam had WMDs, was the same evidence that most of the world had, and which virtually everyone, including Bill Clinton, John Kerry and the rest of the democrat hierarchy, believed.

Another point, which is, to me, the most sorely-neglected fact relating to the run-up to the war, is that the onus was on Saddam to prove that he had disposed of the WMDs which he previously admitted that he had (some of which he had used on the Kurds, on the marsh Arabs, and on Iran.) He never produced a satisfactory accounting of what he had done with these weapons. The only safe course for the world to pursue was to believe he still had them, which the world did believe. The fact that only The United States and a few true allies had the guts to act on this does not detract from the fact that Saddam was not in compliance with U.N. Resolution 1441. That the French, Russians, and most of the world (including many top U.N. officials) were enjoying huge monetary benefits from the fraud-ridden Oil for Food program does not mean that Bush, Blair, et al were in the wrong. Au contraire.

38 posted on 04/22/2006 7:14:28 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning.)
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To: Andy5000

Aren't there laws against things like slander? If I wrote something that was a lie and published it, couldn't I have sometype of legal action or criminal action taken against me?


40 posted on 04/22/2006 7:18:32 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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Paul Wolfowitz once revealed that during policy discussions on how to proceed in Iraq some pro-regime change participants pointed out that putting all your eggs in the WMD basket might prove problematic if a robust and active program was not discovered on the ground in Iraq once our troops went in. Others contended that the whole WMD thing would just be a side story after victory had been achieved, soon to be forgotten.

Clearly those who put forward the "problematic" scenario were right. Would that George W. Bush had had the foresight to understand what he was getting himself into, but foresight is not his forte.

43 posted on 04/22/2006 7:26:55 AM PDT by beckett (Amor Fati)
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"The White House had embraced a British report that Iraq had purchased 500 tons of uranium from the African nation of Niger, allegedly to restart its nuclear weapons program."

No, the British claimed that Iraq had shown an interest in buying uranium, that's all that Bush put forth.

Facts are dangerous things.


48 posted on 04/22/2006 7:32:34 AM PDT by rightazrain (Link me to some proof so I can put my rumor to rest.)
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52 posted on 04/22/2006 7:35:06 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (GOP, The Other France)
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They warned him that Iraq may not have WMD. They also warned that they did have WMD. They warned him that Iraq could have a mix. They warned him that he did have them at one time but they could not be sure that he still had them. They warned him that he had them and he will probably use them soon. They warned him that he had them but he might not use them anytime soon. They warned him [fill in the one of the infinite variations of possibilities].

Regardless of whatever Bush had done and regardless of whatever would happen, there would always be CIA officials who could say "we warned him about that!"

54 posted on 04/22/2006 7:35:37 AM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (I would never belong to any club that would have someone like me as a member.)
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To: Andy5000
Then who or what killed all those Kurds with nerve gas?

Who sent the highly refined Anthrax?

Does anybody really believe that Hussein was not a BAD guy and that Iraq was not a haven of Islamofascist terrorists?

Does anybody really believe that Hussein and his cohorts and minions in the Islamofascist world would NOT use nukes on us if he had or could get or make them? Or give them to somebody else who would?

I guess there really are numbnuts out there who aren't aware that Islam and it's backwards, barbarian scum are at total war with America and Western civilization and want us dead and destroyed? It's for real.

Why is the left so continually naive, perfidious, seditious and just plain stupid?
61 posted on 04/22/2006 7:41:19 AM PDT by garyhope
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To: Andy5000
a retired CIA operative disclosed.

"Disclosed" and not "alleged"? That's enough for me.

62 posted on 04/22/2006 7:41:19 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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A CIA official said there were NO WMD and THE DIRECTOR OF THE CIA said that it was a SLAM DUNK that they DID?!?!!!!!!

The fact that this bozo is even getting air time is a nefarious quest by the MSM to destroy this President.

Everyone KNOWS there were varying opinions about Saddam having WMD. However the OVERWHELMING CONSENSUS of both our Intelligence agencies and every other country in the world was that HE DID and there was NO DOUBT he would use them or reconstitute them again somewhere down the road.

72 posted on 04/22/2006 7:46:46 AM PDT by PISANO (We will not tire......We will not falter.......We will NOT FAIL!!! .........GW Bush [Oct 2001])
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ONE BIG PROBLEM... 9/11 Commission and its 25lb "book of facts". Lying liar from the party of satan!

GEORGE TENET: "It's a "slam-dunk" Mr. President"! Don't you hate it when documented History gets in the way of a SEE-BS fabrication!?

LLS


84 posted on 04/22/2006 8:01:40 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: Andy5000
Anything Bill Clinton touched...he perverted!!

Perhaps Monica's daddy is proud that every time his name is mentioned.....people think of something else.

88 posted on 04/22/2006 8:11:01 AM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (Toon Town, Iran...........where reality is the real fantasy.)
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To: Andy5000

How is it the CIA knew, but Saddam's generals, every elected democrat in the nation, and the rest of the civilized world didn't know?


89 posted on 04/22/2006 8:14:34 AM PDT by kylaka
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But the operative, Tyler Drumheller, said top White House officials simply brushed off the warning, saying they were "no longer interested" in intelligence and that the policy toward Iraq had been already set.

The disclosure, made in an interview with CBS's "60 Minutes" program due to be broadcast late Sunday, adds to earlier accusations that the Bush administration used intelligence selectively as it built its case for the March 2003 invasion of Iraq and the toppling of Saddam's regime.

Gee ... I wonder .. will CBS also discuss the documents from Iraq that are being translated??

And will they discuss Mary McCarthy from the CIA who was just fired???

91 posted on 04/22/2006 8:16:13 AM PDT by Mo1 ("Stupidity is also a gift from God, but it should not be abused." Pope John Paul II)
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Hmmmm?? How can that be .. wasn't it George Tenant who said, "it's a slam dunk" ..??

So if the HEAD OF THE CIA was saying that .. then Bush WAS NOT WARNED THERE WERE NO WMD - and besides .. THERE WAS WMD! - AND AT LEAST 15 OTHER INTEL AGENCIES HAD THE SAME INFO WE DID!

"The Generals" are just trying to pass the buck because they don't want to be held responsible for the mess we're in now - the mess that Rumsfeld and Bush are trying to clean up.


98 posted on 04/22/2006 8:29:35 AM PDT by CyberAnt (Drive-by Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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Tyler Drumheller (UPCOMING BOOK FOR SALE OF COURSE)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060874996/sr=8-1/qid=1145725005/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-1215947-7178354?%5Fencoding=UTF8

What is his middle name?


I did a search on political moneyline. http://www.fecinfo.com/

Now CIA is in Virginia,
so I think this *MAY* be the same guy who contributed to democrats..........

23 . DRUMHELLER, TYLER S
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Maybe someone else better at this stuff can find more on this guy. I bet he is a Clintoon apointee too. Or at least climbed the ladder under Bubba.


114 posted on 04/22/2006 9:56:28 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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Hmmmm....

Did U.S. Bomb Sudan in Error?
Report alleges White House ignored warnings that Bin Laden and chemical weapons links were unproven
By TONY KARON
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Posted Wednesday, Oct. 27, 1999
That damned factory in the Sudan keeps coming back to haunt the White House. The New York Times on Wednesday carried a detailed account of how the Clinton administration decided to bomb the Al Shifa chemical plant in 1998 despite warnings by senior intelligence and security personnel that there was insufficient evidence linking it to either Osama Bin Laden or the manufacture of chemical weapons. Under pressure from international protest and media inquiries, administration sources have backpedaled substantially on both claims since the August 1998 strike, which, together with a similar raid on Bin Laden's Afghanistan camps, was launched in retaliation for the bombing of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. But the Times report also carries allegations from U.S. officials that Secretary of State Albright encouraged State Department intelligence analysts "to kill a report being drafted that said the bombing was not justified."

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,33302,00.html


Maybe al Queda got word that Clinton Administration were going to strike with missiles. Why not move the chemical weapon out of the building and embarrass the United States.
It's been done before.


116 posted on 04/22/2006 10:38:15 AM PDT by Milligan
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Amazing, every thread the same thing. Rabidly arrogant pronouncements with out even a shed of reality backing up wacko predictions. Do you some how feel if you scream your hate and bile louder and longer the pathetic insignificance of your life will be rendered less painful? It will not you know. .
117 posted on 04/22/2006 11:39:17 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The Democrat Party : A Culture of Treason)
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