Posted on 04/19/2006 6:33:31 AM PDT by areafiftyone
Yep. Rudy is anything but the liberal some here make him out to be. If anyone saw his day to day activity in the city, they would know what a treasure he is. The city under Bloomberg is returning to its filthy history. Bums in the subways, dirty streets, etc. Rudy gave this city 100% every day. I know he would do the same for the country.
I think Giuliani would be fine on foreign policy. There are certain leaders who give off an aura of "don't mess with me". For example, if our dear President Reagan were in charge, it is highly unlikely Iran would be speaking out of turn as they are now - they would know that Reagan would destroy them, no questions asked.
Iran sees Bush as being weak, hobbled by unpopularity at home, and as such, are feeling empowered to speak out of turn.
Giuliani has that "don't mess with me" aura.
I do not agree with him on social issues - but given a choice between him and Hillary, the answer is obvious.
Regards, Ivan
As of this date, Rudy Giuliani's sole contribution to the "War on Terror" has been his recommendation to the Bush administration to hire Bernie Kerik -- Giuliani's dysfunctional, unqualified sycophant (and former personal bodyguard) -- to serve as the Secretary of Homeland Security.
Giuliani won't even run in 2008, since he knows better than anyone else that he'll probably suffer a loss Mondale-like proportions in either the GOP primaries or in the general election.
Interesting. I think we have this situation today in the WH. Huge domestic social spending and amnesty for illegal aliens are signs of a Conservative Republican?
I LIKE President Bush as a person, but W panders to the Left and has his priorities wrong on allowing illegal immigrants into our country. In retrospect, I think Cheney or Rummy would have taken differing approaches on these two of my hot buttons.
IMOHO
You are right about Rudy. I think Freepers will be surprised when they find out how popular Rudy is with Americans! We tend to live in our own little Bubble. It was fun to watch! He has standing room only sell outs whereever he goes and that includes down South where supposedly he is not very well liked. One thing Rudy knew how to do that Bush does not know how to do all the time is handle the press. Rudy used to drive the liberal media nuts!
When I was growing up, my Dad said that being mayor of NYC was one of the biggest jobs in the country. Mayors and governors don't legislate, per se; they manage.
You have something in common with Hillary then.
Right you are! It's getting really disgusting in this city. I'm tired of turning every corner to see a bum with half his pants off!
Interstingly, polls that show that Rudy gets support from GOP voters who approve of President Bush. While McCain gets support from GOP voters who disapprove of Bush (i.e. "moderate" republicans).
Talk about bizarro world.
This thread shows how and why a democrat will be the next President. When Iran then blows up, we'll get to be smug that we didn't give in on all the petty issues. We'll have lost on all those fronts anyway, and President Shumer or Clinton or Biden will roll over and let Muslims really get their crusade underway.
Fun times. Stock up on ammo. :-)
Rudy should present a cabinet in waiting. I believe he should select someone like Jon Kyl for the VP slot, offering a link to the West, and a safe pair of conservative hands. For Health and Human Services, suggest Mitt Romney - the healthcare plans he put together for Massachusetts will defang Hillary's supposed expertise in that area. For Secretary of State...John Bolton. ;)
Regards, Ivan
It's a tough issue. I'm not trying to debate Giuliani's strengths and weaknesses here, just trying to figure out what is the principled course of action for those voters who find his social views abhorrent. Do we vote for him on the theory that he's still better than Hillary? Or do we not vote, on the theory that even defeating Hillary Clinton does not justify the long term damage that a Giuliani victory would inflict on our beliefs? It is a difficult decision. I don't think, however, that it is going to come to that point. I just don't see Giuliani as the nominee. Of course, I also insisted that New York voters would see through Hillary Clinton, that she could never win a Senate seat... so what do I know!
If we judge the future based upon the past, then there is no doubt that Rudy will stay the course on the WOT. Remember, he's the guy who gave Arafat the finger when he was in NYC for some UN function.
What prolife office holder, including W has even attempted to overturn Roe V Wade. Answer - None! Guiliani won't either but at least he is honest about it. He is ten times better than the alternatives on the other side.
I never thought I'd see the day when so many so-called "conservatives" would express such strong support for a Republican candidate who rightly belongs in a Federal prison.
Do you have a cite for your accusation or are you just expressing an opinion?
Dear NCLaw441,
"Thank you for your detailed and courteous reply."
Thanks. I try to follow Chesterton's admonishment to try to disagree without being disagreeable.
"Seldom have I voted for a candidate that meets all of MY qualifications."
Me, neither. The problem with Mr. Giuliani is that he meets ALMOST NONE of my qualifications. Is he a little better than Mrs. Clinton? Maybe. But not enough to actually get my vote. If the party nominates Mr. Giuliani, then the party has abandoned me. I'll just go elsewhere.
"I do not typically vote solely on the basis of party affiliation, but will do so when I don't have enough information about the candidate, or when the two candidates seem otherwise indistinguishable from each other."
Actually, I pretty much vote a straight-line Republican ticket.
I understand the vital importance of party-building for the conservative cause. I've held my nose and voted for a lot of iffy characters because I understood that even an iffy Republican is better than most any Democrat.
I have only voted against a Republican one time in my life. In the old 5th Congressional District of Maryland, a very liberal congressional district with few Republicans, some years ago, a member of the Nation of Islam ran as the Republican nominee. In that his informal campaign motto was "Kill whitey," I didn't vote for him.
Other than that, I've voted for every Republican on every ballot since 1978. I voted for Mr. Reagan twice, Mr. Bush, pére, twice, Mr. Dole, and Mr. Bush, fils, twice. I've donated money to Mr. Dole, Mr. Bush, fils, and local candidates here in Maryland, including Mr. Steele, currently running for US Senate. My wife has worked the polls.
We've voted for some complete morons for US Representative and US Senator. We've voted for local judges based on nothing more than they have an "R" after their name.
But Mr. Giuliani, running for president, would be just too far for us to go.
"I tend to prioritize my issues, and vote for the candidate who best appears (I have been fooled more than once by false promises) to embrace my highest priorities better than the other candidate(s)."
Me, too. For me, the issue of highest priority is stopping the killing of over a million unborn persons per year. The only viable way to accomplish this is through changing the membership of the Supreme Court. Without a president who understands that Roe is execrable constitutional law, that there is nothing in the Constitution that guarantees a right to procure the death of one's unborn child, that is impossible to accomplish. Other cultural issues rate highly for me, as well.
Social conservatives are a large part of the Republican coalition. To nominate Mr. Giuliani is to abandon us, our issues, our causes, entirely. If the rest of the party chooses Mr. Giuliani, folks must understand that they've left social conservatives out in the cold.
Actions have consequences.
sitetest
That's ridiculous. They know very well that Reagan's policy was to slam down hard on the enemy. Look at Quadaffi.
Regards, Ivan
Dear Cobra64,
"'...a liberal who calls himself a Republican.'
"Interesting. I think we have this situation today in the WH. Huge domestic social spending and amnesty for illegal aliens are signs of a Conservative Republican?"
I can't say that I entirely disagree. However, Mr. Bush is far more conservative than Mr. Giuliani. As I've tried to make clear, I don't demand candidates who agree with me on all issues, and take the identical approach to issues that I would take.
Thus, although there are points of disagreement that I have with Mr. Bush, he's done an overall credible job, and has justified my continuing support in him.
However, there are very few things with which I agree with Mr. Giuliani.
sitetest
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