Ariz. Gov. Vetoes Criminal Immigrant Bill

Associated Press ^ | Apr 18 11:08 AM US/Eastern | JACQUES BILLEAUD

[staytrue]

Your position is to justify employers who illegally hire illegals. Your position also justifies illegals working.

You are wrong. My position is exactly as stated in Post 62.

[trubluolyguy]

So if I have a citizen employee who does not have auto insurance, the police should come and arrest me.

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Nope. But if you hire an illegal alien, they should.

[rightinthemiddle]

"It is unfortunate that the Legislature (governor) has once again ignored the officials (citizens) who are most directly affected by illegal immigration ..."

[ExSoldier]

Cops who argue this should remain in the federal arena are both gutless and shortsighted. If this becomes a state issue, then folks who take the police underfire can not only be shot but the local cops aren't subject to the fed's restrictive ROEor Rules Of Engagement. Also, if made a state issue, then employers could be charged as accomplices. That might put a hurt on some businesses, but in the long run it's the only way to cut off the river of milk and honey that draws the MEXICAN illegals across our border. Infiltrators that are from origins other than Mexican are another distinct problem.

[Czar]

"Gov. Janet Napolitano vetoed a bill that would have criminalized the presence of illegal immigrants in Arizona,..."

True colors...

[Flavius Josephus]

I'm afraid what we're going to have to do is help the ranchers wall off their own property. Not that it's going to be easy.

How many uneducated, non-english speaking migrants are getting valid green cards anyway? Seems to me it should be simple. If one of these underfed little mestizos hands you a green card or a SS card, it's fake.

[Flavius Josephus]

They will arrest the citizens and let the ilegales go. That's been tried plenty of times.

[Flavius Josephus]

Sheriff Joe has it down. If they don't want to go out and work on the wall, or they want to misbehave, they can sit there in the tent all day and swelter with nothing to do. Inmates vie for the opportunity to go out on Sherrif Joe's chain gangs just for something to do.

[ExSoldier]

They can also be called "un-uniformed enemy combatants"

According to the Geneva Convention these are known as SPIES and can be EXECUTED.

[Flavius Josephus]

she'll move up to Washington within 2 years and become Hillary's running mate! (tweedle dee and tweedle dum!)

Sucker Twins.

[ExSoldier]

States can enforce federal law.

Especially immigration laws....local cops here in Miami do this all the time.

[Lucky9teen]

Speaking of chain gangs, why can't we have these guys and others like them, do the work that Americans don't want to do?

We're already paying money for them, why not put them to work and let them work off their sentence instead of sitting in a cell doing nothing.

This would seem to kill 2 birds with one stone - rid us of needing illegals to "work here" (yeah right) and put our tax dollars to work (literally). Not to mention all the money it would save us as well.

[Flavius Josephus]

Nooooo.... illegaly depressed wages stifle the innovation that would create the machine that could replace 10 workers. Don't spin this.

[tumblindice]

"What are the current penalties for employing illegals?"

http://uscis.gov/graphics/shared/statistics/standards/stdfdef.htm (See Employer Sanctions)
http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/judiciary/hju21911.000/hju21911_0f.htm (See congress critters hard at work)

They'll whack your pee-pee then take away your birthday.

[staytrue]

I'm not spinning. Read post 62. This is my position. I think the "restitution" argument is a bad one.

That is all.

[nicmarlo]

: )

[Flavius Josephus]

I thought the states were required to enforce federal laws. Even if they weren't, the feds can cut off funding. But they're so infiltrated that you can't count on them for nuthin.

[Flavius Josephus]

Hell, they're mostly ilegales anyway. Let them work for food. BTW, Sherriff Joe spends 15 cents a day per inmate for food.

[Lucky9teen]

Between Sheriff Joe's policies and Don Goldwaters ideas, hey, we could really crack down on these invaders and set a new policy on how to handle ILLEGAL immigration.

I don't mind immigrants. I'm all for it. Just LEGALLY.

[nicmarlo]

You are wrong. My position is exactly as stated in Post 62.

Within post 62, QUOTE: Here if an illegal does not use govt. services, no one has suffered a loss.

That IS justifying illegals working here, as it is overlooking the victims of their presence. As Kellis91789 stated in post #83:

All the other employees that suffered a depressed wage are victims of the employer's action. All the people that paid higher auto-insurance because illegals didn't are victims. All the people that paid higher health-care costs because illegals used private hospital emergency rooms without paying are victims.

There are a myriad of ways that these employers have shifted a monetary burden onto society at large [therefore, making ALL LEGAL CITIZENS/TAXPAYERS VICTIMS], not just government-provided services.