Posted on 04/17/2006 7:00:38 PM PDT by FARS
General consideration needed when you think about Iran = Hojatieh!
"Hojatieh" headed by looney Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi, wants the quick return of the 12th Imam, a boy who disappeared down a well in the 1300s and is a direct descendant of the Prophet Mohammad.
Ahamdi-Nejad is a desciple of Mesbah Yazdi and a true believer of the Hojatieh.
The Hojatieh creed, which was too crazy even for Khomeini, who created the Islamic regime in Iran, says the 12th Imam will return to bring salvation to mankind (similar to the second coming of Christ concept) BUT ....
In order for him to return for this purpose there has to be sufficient death, misery, oppression, pain and suffering in the world to make it worth his while (so to speak).
THUS.... to encourage a speedy return of the 12th Imam, the Hojatieh (presently the dominant Islamic creed in Iran with Mesbah Yazdi the power behind the throne and likely to become the Supreme Ruler in the very near future) insists that their duty is to create enough death, misery, oppression, pain and suffering to entice the 12th Imam to return.
AND.... Anyone who acts to prevent all this suffering etc., is against Islam (as per Hojatieh) and as an apostate should be killed.
SO.... fear of mutual self-destruction - as was the case with the Soviets and to some extent with the Chinese - is exactly the opposite of what the Hojatieh want, fear or believe.
They would love mutual self-destruction to occur so that they create enough reason for their 12th Imam to return to the world and bring Islamic salvation.
Whenever you think of Iran think of this and understand that anything and everything you have held dear and reasonable about them NO LONGER HOLDS TRUE.
Pol Pot of Cambodia, who murdered millions of his own countrymen, some for simply having weak eyesight and wearing glasses (inference of being educated) was a Boy Scout and really sane compared to what we have at the helm in Iran.
And we quibble whether we should perhaps not bomb Iran and allow this bunch of lunatics to have nuclear weapons to implement their Hojatieh philosophies on the rest of the world.
The only real question is which "innocents" to save. The Iranian population of some 70 million (though only a few hundred thousand would actually perish) or HUNDREDS of millions around the globe when Iran unleashes nuclear weaponry AND THEIR OIL WEAPON - in the near future and triggers something even Hitler could not dream of or even wish to achieve.
Here is Amir Taheri's take on the same subject:
Last Monday, just before he announced that Iran had gatecrashed "the nuclear club", President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad disappeared for several hours. He was having a khalvat (tête-à-tête) with the Hidden Imam, the 12th and last of the imams of Shiism who went into "grand occultation" in 941.
According to Shia lore, the Imam is a messianic figure who, although in hiding, remains the true Sovereign of the World. In every generation, the Imam chooses 36 men, (and, for obvious reasons, no women) naming them the owtad or "nails", whose presence, hammered into mankind's existence, prevents the universe from "falling off".
Although the "nails" are not known to common mortals, it is, at times, possible to identify one thanks to his deeds. It is on that basis that some of Ahmad-inejad's more passionate admirers insist that he is a "nail", a claim he has not discouraged.
For example, he has claimed that last September, as he addressed the United Nations' General Assembly in New York, the "Hidden Imam drenched the place in a sweet light".
Last year, it was after another khalvat that Ahmadinejad announced his intention to stand for president. Now, he boasts that the Imam gave him the presidency for a single task: provoking a "clash of civilisations" in which the Muslim world, led by Iran, takes on the "infidel" West, led by the United States, and defeats it in a slow but prolonged contest that, in military jargon, sounds like a low intensity, asymmetrical war.
In Ahmadinejad's analysis, the rising Islamic "superpower" has decisive advantages over the infidel. Islam has four times as many young men of fighting age as the West, with its ageing populations. Hundreds of millions of Muslim "ghazis" (holy raiders) are keen to become martyrs while the infidel youths, loving life and fearing death, hate to fight. Islam also has four-fifths of the world's oil reserves, and so controls the lifeblood of the infidel. More importantly, the US, the only infidel power still capable of fighting, is hated by most other nations.
According to this analysis, spelled out in commentaries by Ahmadinejad's strategic guru, Hassan Abassi, known as the "Dr Kissinger of Islam", President George W Bush is an aberration, an exception to a rule under which all American presidents since Truman, when faced with serious setbacks abroad, have "run away". Iran's current strategy, therefore, is to wait Bush out. And that, by "divine coincidence", corresponds to the time Iran needs to develop its nuclear arsenal, thus matching the only advantage that the infidel enjoys.
Moments after Ahmadinejad announced "the atomic miracle", the head of the Iranian nuclear project, Ghulamreza Aghazadeh, unveiled plans for manufacturing 54,000 centrifuges, to enrich enough uranium for hundreds of nuclear warheads. "We are going into mass production," he boasted.
The Iranian plan is simple: playing the diplomatic game for another two years until Bush becomes a "lame-duck", unable to take military action against the mullahs, while continuing to develop nuclear weapons.
Thus do not be surprised if, by the end of the 12 days still left of the United Nations' Security Council "deadline", Ahmadinejad announces a "temporary suspension" of uranium enrichment as a "confidence building measure". Also, don't be surprised if some time in June he agrees to ask the Majlis (the Islamic parliament) to consider signing the additional protocols of the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty (NPT).
Such manoeuvres would allow the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) director, Muhammad El-Baradei, and Britain's Foreign Secretary, Jack Straw, to congratulate Iran for its "positive gestures" and denounce talk of sanctions, let alone military action. The confidence building measures would never amount to anything, but their announcement would be enough to prevent the G8 summit, hosted by Russia in July, from moving against Iran.
While waiting Bush out, the Islamic Republic is intent on doing all it can to consolidate its gains in the region. Regime changes in Kabul and Baghdad have altered the status quo in the Middle East. While Bush is determined to create a Middle East that is democratic and pro-Western, Ahmadinejad is equally determined that the region should remain Islamic but pro-Iranian. Iran is now the strongest presence in Afghanistan and Iraq, after the US. It has turned Syria and Lebanon into its outer defences, which means that, for the first time since the 7th century, Iran is militarily present on the coast of the Mediterranean. In a massive political jamboree in Teheran last week, Ahmadinejad also assumed control of the "Jerusalem Cause", which includes annihilating Israel "in one storm", while launching a take-over bid for the cash-starved Hamas government in the West Bank and Gaza.
Ahmadinejad has also reactivated Iran's network of Shia organisations in Bahrain, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Yemen, while resuming contact with Sunni fundamentalist groups in Turkey, Egypt, Algeria and Morocco. From childhood, Shia boys are told to cultivate two qualities. The first is entezar, the capacity patiently to wait for the Imam to return. The second is taajil, the actions needed to hasten the return. For the Imam's return will coincide with an apocalyptic battle between the forces of evil and righteousness, with evil ultimately routed. If the infidel loses its nuclear advantage, it could be worn down in a long, low-intensity war at the end of which surrender to Islam would appear the least bad of options. And that could be a signal for the Imam to reappear.
At the same time, not to forget the task of hastening the Mahdi's second coming, Ahamdinejad will pursue his provocations. On Monday, he was as candid as ever: "To those who are angry with us, we have one thing to say: be angry until you die of anger!"
His adviser, Hassan Abassi, is rather more eloquent. "The Americans are impatient," he says, "at the first sight of a setback, they run away. We, however, know how to be patient. We have been weaving carpets for thousands of years."
• Amir Taheri is a former Executive Editor of Kayhan, Iran's largest daily newspaper, but now lives in Europe
There are going to be some disappoonted apocalyptoids in Iran.
The "leadership" of this country is like a pack of rabid dogs
I guess he's been oblivious as to the goings on to his west.
"apocalyptoids"
What a great word! Islamic sub-human androids of a sort?
Oh, man! We could give them all the death and misery they want. But they are going to have to beg. They need to get permission from the UN for us to blast the crap out of them so the savior can return.
Who the heck would follow a savior who disappeared down a well, anyway? Sounds like a dumba$$ to me.
Ping Ping.
I'm Betting their fear of Bush is justified, and we smack them before he leaves office.... long before!
Not sub-human. Don't mean to imply that. But, a fairly large set of groups who believe in the Apocalypse, some Christian, some Moslem. The Moslems have developed their detailed vision of the Apocalypse considerably more than the Christians have, but the cast of characters is remarkably similar.
These are same lunitics who met with Danish imam's immediately after the initial publication of the mohammad cartoon, then subsequently organized the protests.
Thier mission statement is "to hasten the arrival of the 12th imam through spreading chaos."
The subhuman android comment was mine, no reflection on your original statement. My thoughts are less kind than yours :-))
Did you know that just recently the Islamic Regime has finally - after over a quarter of a century - made the blood price for a non-Moslem, equal to that of a Moslem citizen?
In the past the family a Moslem killed by someone would be allowed to demand a "blood price" from the killer to waive their right to retribution. A Christian or Jew or someone from another recognized religion would only be allowed to claim HALF of the current $27,800 that has been set now for everybody.
This new amount is apparently about eight (8) percent higher than before but some complain that it does not reach the 13% inflation rate. (A very modest assessment of the real inflation that is apparently beginning to spiral upward ever faster).
Alan Peters Bump!!
apocalyptoids"
I took that to mean those who wish to create Armageddon in a brain dead fashion...oh, sorry, you said the same thing! :)
What do you make of that?
This should explain everything...I think it's the sunni version...(snip)
barf bag essential
The followers of all religions and traditions maintain such a belief and are awaiting the appearance of such a commanding figure under the divine protection. Each tradition recognizes this figure with a different name and specific title. The Zoroastrians call him Saoshyant (meaning the 'savior of the world'); the Jews know him as the messiah, whereas the Christians regard him as the Savior Messiah. However, each group believes that this divinely ordained savior will be among them. The Zoroastrians believe he is Persian and among the followers of Zoroaster. The Jews maintain that he will be among the Children of Israel, and the follower of Moses. The Christians think he will be one among them. Muslims believe that he will be among the Hashimites and among the direct descendants of the Prophet. In Islam he has been fully introduced, whereas in other religions this is not so.
It is remarkable that all the characteristics and signs mentioned for this universal savior in other religions are applicable to the promised Mahdi, the son of Imam Hasan 'Askari. It is possible to regard him as Iranian in race because among his ancestors is the mother of the fourth Imam Zayn al-'Abidin who, as the daughter of Yazdgard, the Sassanian king, was a Persian princess. He can also be considered among the Children of Israel, since both the Hashimites and the Israelites are among the descendants of Abraham. The Hashimites are the descendants of Isma'il (Ishmael) and the Israelites are the descendants of Ishaq (Isaac). Hence, the Hashimites and the Israelites are one family. He is also connected to Christians because, according to some traditions, the mother of the present Imam was a Byzantine princess by the name of Narjis (Nargis), who is part of the miraculous story reported in some sources.
It is not appropriate to confine the deliverer of the world, the Mahdi, to one particular nation. He will actually come to fight against all discriminatory claims of racial, creedal and national distinction. Consequently, he should be regarded as the Mahdi of the whole of humanity. He is the savior and deliverer of the people who worship God. His victory is the victory of all the prophets and all the righteous ones on earth. He will be restoring the religion of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and all of the heavenly revelations, namely, Islam; he will revive the pure religion of Moses and Jesus which had foretold the prophethood of Muhammad.
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Spa/7220/al-mahdi.html
SOP for the Slimes -- just copy it.
Yep they're all lunatics!!
It's a shame that people keep adding crazy stuff to Islam that started off such a simple religion... Crazy people.
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