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Most people don't care about this (or at least most conservatives these days) but the National ID is just two years away, and it's something to think about.

Had this happened under Bill Clinton, Republicans would freak out. As it is, it was pushed by Republicans, under a Republican Administration, by a Republican-controlled House and Senate, and was deliberately attached to a bill that few would dare vote against, rather than on its own as a free-standing bill where there would be some debate.

Even if it was pushed as a free-standing bill, I think that too many people with R's next to their names would champion this without really thinking about the future implications.

1 posted on 04/17/2006 8:50:19 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

Just out of curiousity, how do you police illegal immigration without some form of I.D.?


2 posted on 04/17/2006 8:51:46 AM PDT by XJarhead
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To: af_vet_rr
If we could but totally isolate the United States from all the funny little foreign people, we most likely wouldn't need to do this.

Unfortunately the world is filled with illbehaving jerks, and we either have to hunt them all down and kill them, or put up with driver's licenses that conform to a national standard.

3 posted on 04/17/2006 8:53:40 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: af_vet_rr

Call it a "Patriot Card". We'll line up like lemmings.


7 posted on 04/17/2006 9:01:46 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: af_vet_rr

actually it just says STATE id's have to adhere to a standard.

IOW no easily counterfited DLs or State ID's.

This is a good thing.

An easy wway for a state to avoid this entirly is to just not issue ANY ID document. No DL's no ID's NOTHING.


13 posted on 04/17/2006 9:06:42 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: af_vet_rr

Living in a state where the IDs are a total joke (they used to be cheap laminates that looked like fake IDs, then they finally got "modern" but made them good until you turn 65 so after a few years they stop being at all useful as identification) I can see a definite need for some better rules and standardization on what an ID is in this country. Not sure Real ID is the right answer but I do know something had to be done. Oh and did I mention that in AZ you can order a replacement ID for $4 off the web with no proof of anything, anybody that wants to start a fake ID business need only only move to AZ, you can get DMV to mass produce your fakes for you, don't worry if the people you sell them to look nothing like you half of us in AZ don't look anything like our IDs anymore.


19 posted on 04/17/2006 9:15:14 AM PDT by discostu (raise your glass of beer on high, and seal your fate forever)
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To: af_vet_rr
Had this happened under Bill Clinton, Republicans would freak out.

This statement could pretty much be applied to everything that our cancerous tumor of a government has done since 2001.

Screw the "papers, please" ID.
21 posted on 04/17/2006 9:19:51 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: af_vet_rr

National ID? When did that become law? I refuse to get one!


22 posted on 04/17/2006 9:22:29 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: af_vet_rr

These days and times make it unfortunately necessary for one to be able to identify one's self via an untamperable bio-metricmethod.

Identity thieves (who I believe should be executed upon discovery right in the store, or shortly thereafter) won't have such an easy time passing checks & stolen credit/debit cards, getting fake loans, purchasing in your name, etc.

Notification of foreigners here on visas that have expired should be part of the system, also the phoney ones too, with swift deportation awaiting the cheaters, who could also be criminals with ill intent.

As for the Illegals, they will be quickly be gone for failing ID checks for/at empolyment, bank accounts, check cashing, wire transfers, ER & free clinic, driving and other licenses, an array of social services, SSI benefits, so much more. Gone to then try to return via legal means.


27 posted on 04/17/2006 9:33:37 AM PDT by citizen (Yo W! Read my lips: No Amnistia by any name! And the White House has a fence around it!)
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To: af_vet_rr
Yeah well . . . Bush may be morally conservative, and was re-elected due to an active agressive bible belt constituency, but he is not fiscally conservative and that makes him more in line with national socialism.

Hey? isn't that what the Nazi party was?

28 posted on 04/17/2006 9:39:19 AM PDT by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty)
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To: af_vet_rr

Is it implated in the forhead or back of the hand? </sarc>


31 posted on 04/17/2006 9:57:03 AM PDT by Frenetic
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To: af_vet_rr
So long as there is no wall, this is moot. Put up a wall, demand a passport to get into the country, and leave the Big Brother stupidity at the curbside. For people inside the border, there should be no demanding of "your papers, please" unless (1) they are using a government service, (2) they have committed a crime. Forget for a moment the (unconstitutional) police random checks.

What exactly is the problem with doing this?

56 posted on 04/17/2006 6:25:45 PM PDT by M203M4
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To: inneroutlaw
Attaboy, New Hampshire ping.

Too bad it's so damn cold up there, but apparently, the Free State Project's assessment was correct.

59 posted on 04/17/2006 7:38:19 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: af_vet_rr
I support a verifiable national ID. We need one to keep inegible people locked out of government benefits and services. These ought to be restricted only to American citizens. A national ID takes away the last excuse of the Open Borders Lobby, namely that its impossible to have a uniform standard to verify one's citizenship and personal identity. The good news is we will soon have such a means in place to be able to ascertain people are who they say they are.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

65 posted on 04/18/2006 2:17:20 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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