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With all respects, as a guy who watched thousands of hours of Saddam tapes, to think of Saddam as being in Fantasy land isn't really accurate. Think more Bob De Niro as Al Capone in Untouchables. That is Saddam. If Saddam thought he had WMD, he did. These scientsts feeding US investigators this "we told him we had it but didn't" or better yet "we dumped it next to his palace so we couldn't tell him" crap are simply supplying cover stories. No scientist in their right mind would lie to Saddam. I don't care what CIA or ISG report says it. It is B.S. They were all terrified of Saddam and new he would cut them to pieces if they were caught lying. This country really needs to look at these scientists in context and not just take them at their words, IMHO.

"If Saddam thought he had WMD, he did." "They were all terrified of Saddam and new he would cut them to pieces if they were caught lying."
Get the IIP report and read it in detail. Much of what it contains we have read elswhere. My statement does not propose in any way the Saddam regime did not have every intention of resurecting all it's wmd programs once sanctions where lifted. They very cleverly fooled many people into thinking they gave up on the stuff, while hiding stuff, and re-arranging many a facility to look like things where stopped. They in fact had stuff still at some of the mil sites when our Army and Marines invaded and start moving about the country. We have evidence remaining chemical pre-cursors where still stored in situ adjacent to various type artillery and mortar shells. We found syringes, vials of atropine,gas masks, and chemical suits laying in bunkers containing live ordnance, in some cases binary shells, with associated special loading tubes (1 meter long grey with a number of stop bronze stopcocks brazed on the ends, used for loading binary shells), etc..
And I have since I joined this web site, endlessly repeated this things to doubters.
So perhaps my wording indicated I don't believe they had the stuff and where going to use it. Hell the MiGs buried in the sand with special sprayer systems where not meant to spray crops. And the lists go on.
What I was appealing to is the IIP report does bring out some quite interesting things about how Saddam would demand something to be done. Then everyone would go along with his "fantasy", or lose their heads.
The IIP report really is worth the read.

With all respects, as a guy who watched thousands of hours of Saddam tapes, to think of Saddam as being in Fantasy land isn't really accurate. Think more Bob De Niro as Al Capone in Untouchables. That is Saddam. If Saddam thought he had WMD, he did. These scientists feeding US investigators this "we told him we had it but didn't" or better yet "we dumped it next to his palace so we couldn't tell him" crap are simply supplying cover stories. No scientist in their right mind would lie to Saddam. I don't care what CIA or ISG report says it. It is B.S. They were all terrified of Saddam and new he would cut them to pieces if they were caught lying. This country really needs to look at these scientists in context and not just take them at their words, IMHO.

Ray, thank you for that post. I have always scratched my head when I read that Saddam's cabinet would lie to him to make him happy. It did not make one bit of sense to me. Saddam isn't the kind of guy who likes to be lied to. Thanks!

"With all respects, as a guy who watched thousands of hours of Saddam tapes, to think of Saddam as being in Fantasy land isn't really accurate. Think more Bob De Niro as Al Capone in Untouchables. That is Saddam. If Saddam thought he had WMD, he did. These scientsts feeding US investigators this "we told him we had it but didn't" or better yet "we dumped it next to his palace so we couldn't tell him" crap are simply supplying cover stories."

Been there, done that BUMP!!