[kabar]

Yes I believe Frank's words .... "the discussions" with the JCS about his plan AND the need for 250,000 troops to occupy Iraq. Yes Franks approved the final plan, it's too bad Rumsfeld did not approve the FIRST plan.

That was Zinni's and Shinseki's plan.

"In a speech to a business group in Washington, retired Army Gen. Tommy Franks said that when he gave Bush a status report on the war in Afghanistan on Dec. 28, 2001, he also presented the commander-in-chief with a plan for launching combat operations against Saddam Hussein."

"Franks said he told Bush he didn't like the plan and that he was ordered to put together another one, which he showed to the President in January 2002.

[Yasotay]

We will just have to disagree on that point, per the Army's website concerning OIF, I understand that through the Fall of 2002 the Army's first option was "Desert Storm II".

Rumsfeld's heart is at least in the right spot ... and his work ethic is clearly second to none .... BUT like the Chairman of the JCS said you can question his judgment and I DO .... it's time that the President starts .... before it's too late.