Chrysler Moving Michigan Plant to Russia

6 news wlns.com ^ | Apr 17, 2006 | wlns.com

[ZULU]

Well, the U.S. should put a tariff on thier product aht is so high that no one in the country will want to buy one.

TYhat's the ONLY way to deal with these pirates who steal American jobs and American money and pour it into places like Russia and China.

[gogeo]

GDP per capita is not the same as wages.

[Arrowhead]

Thanks Dead Dog. The plant I work for is getting ready to launch what is called the Jeep Compass and the Jeep Patriot. I have my eyes on the Patriot, of course.

[Dead Dog]

UH, the Russians bought a bunch of obsolete tooling. This isn't exactly about outsourcing. It was bought by a Russian company that will be building european cars under liscence.

[GarySpFc]

GDP per capita is not the same as wages.

I am very familiar with that, but I also know the purchasing power of Russians compared to those countries is far higher. A Russian on $300 per month can live like an American on $25,000. I know, I am married to a Russian lady.

[Marine_Uncle]

"GM is the next set of cooperate idiots to sell this country down the river. We should NOT be putting production plants into countries that represent near term threats, and Russia certainly qualifies."
You commented to me on a last years thread that the CFR does not have a military, but that Russia and China do.
Perhaps you can envision why the CFR and the one world groups that in essence at different levels of allegiance to the one world cause, do not need a army to effect the gross changes they have sought for a long long time.

[Southack]

"That is not quite true. Go to the CIA World Fact Book and you will see the GDP Per Capita for China is only $6,300, whereas for Russia it is $10,700. The Russians have many benefits which are not included in their wages."

Lol! Good job, but that's not what's in play. My point and your point are saying the same thing, however.

GDP is what the workers combine to produce. Wages are what the GDP costs.

I'm pointing out that Russian wages are now lower than the wages of the urban Chinese worker.

You're pointing out that the Russians produce more per person than do the Chinese.

Both of those things mean that Russian manufacturing is a better business bargain than Chinese.

Also, the CIA Factbook is extremely misleading...for GDP per capita figures it uses an adjusted formula for buying power...rather than simply telling us what people make in wages and what total amount of goods are sold.

[Centurion2000]

Something that people here seem to forget at times. Get the rest of the story. GAZ (russian company) apparently is pyaing quite well for this plant to the tune of 150 million dollars. They are buying the technology and moving it to Nizhny Novgorod.

Staff Writer

Shawn Baldwin / Bloomberg

The Sebring model is to be restyled and adapted to suit the Russian market.

GAZ, the country's second-largest automotive firm, said Friday that it planned to invest a total of $150 million over the next two years in two new cars, based on older-generation Chrysler models.

The company, which is best known for its Volga sedan, will buy licenses and equipment to produce Chrysler Sebring and Dodge Stratus sedans under its own brand in Russia, GAZ said.

The investment comes weeks after GAZ said it would invest up to $250 million annually over the next five years to develop new models and train its work force.

It declined on Friday to say how much of the $150 million investment would be paid to Chrysler, which is now working on new versions of both the Sebring and Stratus models.

Under the deal, GAZ, which is part of billionaire Oleg Deripaska's empire, will transfer older manufacturing equipment from Chrysler's Sterling Heights, Michigan, plant to Nizhny Novgorod, where the Volga is made.

GAZ also plans to buy engines from Chrysler's engine plant in Saltillo, Mexico, GAZ said in a statement.

The first cars based on the Chrysler technology are expected to roll off the production line at the end of 2007 or in early 2008, Erik Eberhardson, vice president and chief strategy officer at GAZ, said by telephone Friday.

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"The models will be restyled and adapted to Russian roads," Eberhardson said. The company has not yet decided what the new models will be called, he said.

Which means these cars are being produced for the Russian market (and will need some serious suspensions ... russian roads do not bear thinking about)

[Ciexyz]

Aaaagh! I'm the owner of a Dodge Stratus! This is frakkin' unbelievable.

[Centurion2000]

GM is the next set of cooperate idiots to sell this country down the river. We should NOT be putting production plants into countries that represent near term threats, and Russia certainly qualifies.

They didn't. GAZ bought an entire factory of slightly older equipment and they are exporting it back in order to make Russian versions of the Stratus.

GAZ Buys Chrylser Technology

[HamiltonJay]

A US Company????? Isn't Damler-Crysler now a German company?

[Arrowhead]

Thank you Chrysler, for taking US welfare from US Citizens in the 80's, only to take your A$$ to Russia.

This kind of crap is the reason why I do not post here on FreeRepublic much anymore. I remember the good ol early days of FreeRepublic when there were intelligent, well-thought-out, and researched information, dialogue, and debate.

Well anyway, Restornu, please be advised that the "US welfare" of which you speak never happened. Chrysler never borrowed one penny from the US government. It was all borrowed from PRIVATE banks and only guaranteed by the government. And as one poster already pointed out, every penny was repaid making the guarantee unnecessary.

And as far as "taking your A$$" to Russia, that is nothing more than an uninformed lie. For your information, Chrysler only sold certain manufacturing tooling and parts to a US COMPANY (East Coast Trading Company-who, inturn, sold it to Russian interests-so Chrysler could make way for a 278 million investment into the Sterling Heights Assembly Plant for the new models coming out.

With the degree of propaganda I am reading on this thread, perhaps you bozos would be better off taking YOUR A$$ to Russia. Lord knows, you would fit right in.

Arrowhead>>>---liars-->

[HamiltonJay]

Well Crysler needs to do something about their quality...

While from a design perspective they have been doing well for a while... their long long long reputation of less than stellar quality continues.

I have a Chrysler, its been an ok car, no major complaints... but its fit finish and overall quality is nto to the level it should be.

[Ciexyz]

I've been pleased so far with the performance and upkeep of my 96 Dodge Stratus. However, when I bought it, Chrysler was still considered an American company, and that fact was important to me.

[sine_nomine]

Mine could diesel for 15 minutes with the ignition off. I had so much filler in the body that we called it Bondo Beauty and the Putty Princess.

[Arrowhead]

The one good thing I can say about owning the "abrams tank" car:

They plow through 3 feet snow drifts like snot running down a water slide.

Arrowhead>>>------->GO FURY!!!

[HamiltonJay]

Mine is a used 96 Sebring JXi... fit and finish and materials are sub standard for a car in this price range... generally been reliable, but is rusting out, the odometer hasn't worked in years, when check engine light came on, Crysler technitians wanted to just start replacing parts without any confirmation they were causing the problem.... eventually gave it a tune up, and poof all was fine.. The roof where it meats the body when up leaks in heavy rains...Head Gasket went this year on the Crysler...


As I said, all in all its been an OK car, just fit and finish and general quality has not been up to snuff for what one would expect out of a "luxury" model. I bought it in 2000 with 40k.. its now got 150k.

[HamiltonJay]

meets

[GarySpFc]

Lol! Good job, but that's not what's in play. My point and your point are saying the same thing, however.
GDP is what the workers combine to produce. Wages are what the GDP costs.
I'm pointing out that Russian wages are now lower than the wages of the urban Chinese worker.
You're pointing out that the Russians produce more per person than do the Chinese.
Both of those things mean that Russian manufacturing is a better business bargain than Chinese.


WRONG! GDP per capita is the Purchasing Power Parity per Capita, and not what is produced per capita.

The totals are:

United States: $42,000
Russia: $10,700
China: $6,300

[AdamSelene235]

Russian wages are less than China's wages.

That's because the Chinese are worth damn. Russian workers, gee, I dunno. Maybe in Tartarstan. The last russian vehicle I used (brand new) is currently parked in Uzbekistan (catastrophic engine failure after 3000 miles). Is Travis gone for good?