[Sonny M]

Actually, now we have approximately 20 million in the country illegally and Twenty years from now we're going to have 50 million.

I think its over 20 million, since the methodlogy being used to measure is so flawed.

A Big part of the problem is that guys like Tom Tancredo and the Minuiteman project also continue to cite the false figure of 11 million, if Tancredo and the rest of them would stop using the wrong number they have been mislead to believe and start using better numbers, it would make our case easier.

To show you how screwed up this is, the 11 million number is supposed to be 1/3 of all immigrants, the estimate for legal immigrants is 23 million.

Tell me, in this country of almost 300 million, do you really believe there are only 23 million LEGAL immigrants total?

[EternalVigilance]

A Big part of the problem is that guys like Tom Tancredo and the Minuiteman project also continue to cite the false figure of 11 million, if Tancredo and the rest of them would stop using the wrong number they have been mislead to believe and start using better numbers, it would make our case easier.

No, they don't.

Jim Gilchrist, the founder of the Minuteman Project, believes the actual number is over 30 million in the country now, and has said so publically many times.

[EternalVigilance]

Bear Stearns estimates over 20 million.

[TheLion]

I think the number is between 30 to 50 million illegals. The census in 2000 estimated 8 or 9 million....a very low estimate in my opinion. They are coming in at about 5 million a year....so we probably gotten 25 million since 2000

We don't even know how many millions have overstayed their visas.

There are probably 10 million in Texas and maybe more that that in California, alone.