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Exactly what didn't you know about President Bush in Nov. 2004 that you now know today?

That's like asking, "What did we know about 9/11 before it happened?"

Things change; what concerned many BEFORE 9/11 has become a MAJOR ISSUE after 9/11. When the President campaigned on being "serious about protecting Americans," a logical person would believe that would lead to SECURING OUR BORDERS. A logical person would believe that, after finding multitudes of Arabic literature abandoned on the southern U.S. border, after numerous arrests of Middle Eastern men who illegally crossed the POROUS OPEN BORDER, a wise man would change his course of leaving the back door wide open.

He hasn't.

You're excusing Bush's continued and consistent encouragement of lawbreakers, both to illegal aliens AND to their U.S. employers.

I don't.

"Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official, save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country. In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth, whether about the president or anyone else."

-- Theodore Roosevelt, Republican President

We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.

C. S. Lewis

A logical person would believe that, after finding multitudes of Arabic literature abandoned on the southern U.S. border, after numerous arrests of Middle Eastern men who illegally crossed the POROUS OPEN BORDER, a wise man would change his course of leaving the back door wide open.

Do you have a reliable source for this?

It's not that I don't agree that we should secure the border...we should. I just don't think that it's something we didn't know about Pres. Bush in 2004. I think his stand on illegal immigration has been clear for quite awhile, much to many's dismay.

Our southern border is a threat to our treasury and our penal system. I think the threat of terrorists coming here is much more of a possibility from our Northern border.

You're excusing Bush's continued and consistent encouragement of lawbreakers, both to illegal aliens AND to their U.S. employers.

Do you even know what the PRESIDENT has said HE wants from Immigration reform? Most posters who are all lathered about what 'Bush stands for' don't seem to even know what he has proposed. All this screaming about 'amnesty' and 'letting criminals go free', is NOT what the President has proposed. I believe most of the people against Immigration reform are reacting to different proposals from some who want to mess up the works by adding things to the legislation they know will make Republicans angry and turn against the President.

President Bush has proposed a way to make it easier for people to come into this country to work, but in order to do so, they have to be identified and there is a way they can work to become citizens. By reducing some of the red tape, it's likely there will be fewer who feel the need to sneak over the border in hopes of finding whatever work they can. Also, it will help those coming over by taking away the power their employers have over them right now. At this point, employers can take advantage of them by threatening them with exposure. If they are in this country with a work card, that threat is removed. That takes some of the trafficking aspects out of it.

I see nothing wrong with people coming here with the intention of becoming citizens, as long as it is clear to them just what is expected. In the past, immigrants arrived, learned the language as quickly as they could and assimilated into our society. Most Americans are rightly annoyed with those who come to the country and have no incentive to assimilate because their society has literally been moved from their home country to the US, and they can do almost any business they need to do in their native language. Maybe we shouldn't make it so easy for them to separate themselves from American society.

nicmarlo, that was the best post I can remember.

Funny how all the others immediately resort to ad hominem attacks. A read of this thread best illustrates that.

True conservatives right now see right through Bush's BS. He is too dense to know it now, but after he loses both houses (because the conservatives stay home) he will rue the day he turned his back on the true American conservatives.