Posted on 04/16/2006 5:08:19 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
The Talk Shows
Sunday, April 16th, 2006
Guests to be interviewed today on major television talk shows:
FOX NEWS SUNDAY (Fox Network): Sens. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., and Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.; former House Speaker Newt Gingrich; Internal Revenue Service Commissioner Mark Everson.
MEET THE PRESS (NBC): Joan Chittister, executive director, Center for Contemporary Spirituality; Rabbi Michael Lerner, editor, Tikkun Magazine; Jon Meacham, managing editor, Newsweek; Seyyed Hossein Nasr, professor of Islamic studies, George Washington University; Rev. Richard John Neuhaus, editor, First Things; Joel Osteen, senior pastor, Lakewood Church.
FACE THE NATION (CBS): New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson and Sen. George Allen, R-Va.
THIS WEEK (ABC): Sens. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., and Evan Bayh, D-Ind.
LATE EDITION (CNN) : Samir Sumaidaie, Iraqi ambassador to the U.S. ; Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.; Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif.; former Secretary of State Kissinger; retired Army Brig. Gen. David Grange; Rev. Jerry Falwell..
You both encapsulate the argument and the problem in your post.
Assume, as you do, that the Church of Rome and the Bishop of Rome is the "rock" of Christ's Church mentioned in scripture based on Peter having been perceived as the first Bishop of Rome. Does that mean that the Church of Rome has remained faithful to Christ's teachings and maintained that continuity?
I do not claim any particular knowledge that would resolve this question, but I point to the period of the Avignon Captivity as one very easy example of the discontinuity of the blessings derived from Peter in this regard. And that is probably the least of it.
The other churches of the first millennium have no less claim to having maintained the "True Church" nor of having been born of the same Apostolic foundations.
That is why I've always considered this question to be one of man and not of God.
There is much I value in the Catholic Church. There is much I value in the Orthodox Churches. There is also much I value in the Protestant tradition I grew up in. I believe we have to scrap these questions of ascendancy (which are of man and not of God) and concentrate on the ascendancy of God's will over those who wish His creation ill.
God has given us the tools to help ourselves. Can we overcome our own petty jealousies in time to confront the evil this time?
I am just now watching the Fox Sunday Show...
A couple observations...I have read either on this thread..or others (I have been thread hopping, so I get confused)...what a GREAT job that Newt did--
I don't agree....I think he sounds like someone that wants to foment trouble on one hand...and stand on the fence and chide both sides on the other...
Also...I find Kristol's take on how all of the vitriol about the War in Iraq could be made "better" by getting rid of Rummy, about a ludicrous of a suggestion as I have ever heard...
Mara made the comment that these generals coming out "didn't happen all at once"...HUH??? If they have just been slowly coming out, like she said..then why is it the TOP story on all of the Talk shows??? sheesh
Mara also said that it is "obvious" that when the President says that the Military leaders make the decisions on the number of troops is WRONG...Brit tried to correct her...but she acted like she didn't even hear him...and just kept on.
Hold on, it is on the main page now..
Thanks. If I learn anything useful I'll pass it on.
I smell some experminting coming on!!!!!
ahhh they are only a couple of hunderd thousand over the limit,drive-by doesn't care, it's o.k.,after all they care, and they cry.
Kristol is all over the place - fire Rumsfeld, attack Iran. I can't listen to him anymore.
GREAT links!
Here is the beauty and power of Free Republic. We keep piling on an idea, and take it to places any one individual wouldn't have thought up on his own.
Okay.......now I am really confused.
We just had a panel discussion of what a TERRIBLE job that Rummy is doing by Kristol...and he was talking about the pre-war and running the war by Rummy.
Then, they discuss Iran...and Kristol just said it would be a disgrace for President Bush to leave office with Iran still being run by the regime in power right now...and pooh-poohed Juan's suggestion of a little more diplomacy before going in there with guns blazing.
Kristol said that he didn't think the Pentagon even HAS a plan for how to deal with Iran militarily...BUT, wants them to act NOW...even though Rummy is in charge...and he hates how Rummy has run the Iraq War?????
The guy is cuckoo!!!!
Absolutely AB, we really do pool our ideas here.
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Calling in Freeper Extraordiaire Alamo Girl into all this.
What these 6 retired Generals are now saying against the RUMSFELD/BUSH way of doing things miliatry...
...is exactly what "retiring" Knight-Ridder Newspaper columnist JOE GALLOWAY has been saying against RUMSFELD/BUSH in print for years.
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I agree and disagree.
First, Gingrich never went after Clinton on moral grounds, particularly not of having been unfaithful to his wife. That is a canard promoted by the George Soros/MoveOn left. Don't accept their premise.
Newt Gingrich always argued that Bill Clinton had broken the law. Even in the Lewinsky affair his argument was always about perjury under oath by the chief law enforcement officer in the land. Far cry from a hypocritical argument.
Second, Newt Gingrich was seperated from his second wife before he got involved with the "other woman" in this instance. That's a far cry from what BJ did.
Don't accept the drive by media version of history. Don't excuse Newt, but don't buy the other sides crap, either.
I'm trying to remember when... After the debacle in Somalia? About the same time that one of the martyred soldiers' dad refused to shake Clinton's hand?
A-G, wondering if you can help us find the reference to a group of military officers resigning during Clinton's administration... :-)
kclv, you seem to be able to find anything stashed on the Internet... Can you help us out? ;-)
Pinz
I didn't know he was seperated form her.. I thought she was ill, and was cheating on her when she was ill in the hospital...
I don't recall Newt ever going after BJ on moral grounds either... my thoughts on hypocrisy was based on the fact that conservatives are supposed to be more "family values"....
but- I appreciate you filling me in...thanks! I hd no idea he and his wife were actually seperated....
From this day forward we must interpret every anti-Christian or anti-Jewish or anti-anything rant on South Park as a direct attack on Islam and Mohamed by them. They are prohibited from mentioning Mohamed or anything Islam so every time they take a swipe at anyone else they are pointing out this gross hypocrisy.
The battle lines have been drawn and Trey Parker and Matt Stone are on the right side of history... as unseemly as that may be <g>
I have to go shower now....
No, no, no. It was his *first* wife who he cheated on while she was fighting cancer. He was cheating on his *second* wife while he was Speaker of the House.
It *is* hard to keep all of the current, ex-, future and future-ex- wives sorted out sometimes, isn't it? ;-)
Pinz
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One of the biggist CLINTON Scandals of all that they have yet to be held accountable for:
The CLINTONS' refusing of 3 free offers from the Sudan to give us our No. 1 terrorist enemy OSAMA bin LADEN on a silver platter before he could hit us real hard here at home =
9/11 Lifesaver RICK RESCORLA, ..R.I.P.
http://www.RickRescorla.com
(See 'The Statue')
http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1608896/posts
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24361
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No, that was wife number 1.
The stuff during the Clinton years, as I recall, was with wife #2 (the one he turned to while wife number 1 was recovering from cancer) and one of his staffers... but after he had seperated from wife #2.
Newt is NOT a saint and has never pretended to be one. He also has not lied under oath about it, like Klntoon did.
Gingrich is, however, one of the most brilliant minds in the conservative movement.
Do you think anyone should dismiss Benjamin Franklin or Thomas Jefferson for their "moral failings?"
I am a civilian employee of the Department of the Army. A Beanie no less. I am the guy that gets accused of getting in the way of mission execution. "What do you mean this appropriation has expired?" Or "This is so a bone fide need for this fiscal year". And so it goes. I am at the bottom of the food chain.
I am in no position to question the motives of any of these men and will not disparage their contribution to the defense of this nation. I choose to take their rhetoric to its logical conclusion, or at least its next step. Here goes...
If they believe their own words, thy have by their own admission, willingly and knowingly sent men and women into combat using a "bad plan". Where are the apologies from these officers to the parents, husbands, wives and children of the individuals these officers sent into harms way on missions these officers felt did not have the prospects for success they should have had? Don't these Generals owe those families at least that much?
Additionally, no officer registers a complaint about something like this without a CYA memorandum for the record. Where are those memos?
If these men actually believe their rhetoric, then they have significant unfinished business. I anxiously await their mea culpas in the coming weeks.
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