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To: wagglebee

I don't agree with Falwell much either, and this one's obviously no exception. I've seen too many women hurt by guys who think they can change. I'm convinced the ones who do "change" were bi to start with.


3 posted on 04/15/2006 5:05:16 PM PDT by Spyder
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To: Spyder
Former homosexuals?
Don't buy it either. It's as illogical as former heterosexuals.
4 posted on 04/15/2006 5:14:36 PM PDT by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: Spyder

I agree with you, but have to warn you about a pattern I have observed. There are one or two people on this board who are...uhhh..particularly sensitive about the ex-gay thing. Sufficient criticism or doubt on the matter 'mysteriously' ends in banning, followed by a comment by one of these individuals broadcasting the ban (though not the reasons behind it). I don't mean any offense, just giving you a heads up.


6 posted on 04/15/2006 5:15:31 PM PDT by M203M4
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To: Spyder
I knew a guy in college, back in the late 70's who was gay and later reformed. I was a theatre major, and the department, from the faculty on down, was swarming with gays. Every now and then, a young newcomer would get sucked into their vortex. It may have been attractive to young guys who had never had sex, or were shy around girls, to be confronted with a lifestyle in which sexual activity was a given if you just showed up.

Anyway, this guy hung out with other gays for a year or so, until one of the more attractive young women in the department latched onto him. Once he started swimming in the sea of heterosexuality, he never looked back, and they were married with several kids. I last saw them around 10 years ago, and they appeared to be going strong.

On the other hand, I am sure you are correct about "gays who turn, but were bi to start with" in many cases.

7 posted on 04/15/2006 5:18:54 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte (Meadows Place, TX-Formerly "Tom DeLay Country")
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To: Spyder
The real point is that gay activists and ex-gay activists ALL do not belong in the schools. Leave the kids alone and let the teachers get back to teaching reading, writing and arithmetic. Whatever you think about homosexuality, keep it out of the schools.

As for churches, the materials don't really belong there either unless they are talking about sin and repenting from sin. If you want sex therapy, see a therapist. If you want the truth about sin, see a minister. If you want an education, you're out of luck.

18 posted on 04/15/2006 6:07:04 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Spyder

"I am proud to know several former homosexuals..."


And you sir, are NO former homosexual... : )


32 posted on 04/15/2006 7:13:00 PM PDT by Hand em their arse
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To: Spyder

Pretty good trick, being able to diagnose and sort people you have never met. You have no idea what makes someone gay, but you are certain that a person must always be that way.

I have a much more rational alternate hypothesis, one that is logical rather than assertive. Men have to overcome great stigma to be "gay", so having done so it's hard for them to then "undo" that choice, since it would simply suggest that they pain the went through was unnecessary.

But women, for whom the stigma is almost nonexistant, switch back and forth all the time -- it's almost like sex is simply something they can experience, and love is just the closest relationship they have at the moment.

But to keep the fiction, we simply designate these women as "bisexual", as if there are even MORE ways to pre-ordain what people will do in their lives.

And even if I were to by the likely fiction that being gay, or bi, or hetero, is all some strange genetic predestination (a thought clearly contradicted by twins studies), I would certainly believe that accepting Jesus as Lord could change that, just as it changes so many things.

A person predisposed to murder can be freed by a relationship with God. Paul was freed from his desire to persecute christians by his relationship with God. Surely God can heal a person living in sexual sin, whether that sin be adultery, pedophilia, or homosexuality.


50 posted on 04/15/2006 9:13:06 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Spyder
I don't agree with Falwell much either, and this one's obviously no exception. I've seen too many women hurt by guys who think they can change. I'm convinced the ones who do "change" were bi to start with.

I couldn't agree with you more. Falwell's boys were never "gay" to begin with. Perhaps they were bi, or more likely, they engaged in homosexual behavior out of curiosity, peer pressure, youthful indiscretion, etc. But they were never gay.

69 posted on 04/16/2006 6:21:34 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Spyder

Then sorry you just do not get "freedom from sin", in salvation.


75 posted on 04/16/2006 7:31:32 AM PDT by svcw
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