Posted on 04/15/2006 5:01:04 PM PDT by wagglebee
I don't agree with Falwell on a lot of issues, but he is right on the point here!
Ping!
I don't agree with Falwell much either, and this one's obviously no exception. I've seen too many women hurt by guys who think they can change. I'm convinced the ones who do "change" were bi to start with.
I tend to think of ex-gays as non-practicing bisexuals.
Which is to say since I cannot imagine sleeping with a man under any circumstances I think that any man who could sleep with another man is somehow fundamentally different.
Although they can certainly choose to sleep only with women there are still of a different sexual orientation.
I agree with you, but have to warn you about a pattern I have observed. There are one or two people on this board who are...uhhh..particularly sensitive about the ex-gay thing. Sufficient criticism or doubt on the matter 'mysteriously' ends in banning, followed by a comment by one of these individuals broadcasting the ban (though not the reasons behind it). I don't mean any offense, just giving you a heads up.
Anyway, this guy hung out with other gays for a year or so, until one of the more attractive young women in the department latched onto him. Once he started swimming in the sea of heterosexuality, he never looked back, and they were married with several kids. I last saw them around 10 years ago, and they appeared to be going strong.
On the other hand, I am sure you are correct about "gays who turn, but were bi to start with" in many cases.
I stand by Dice Clay's position on gays...i'll leave it at that. ;)
I do remember reading years ago, that one argument was that a very high proportion of successfull ex-gays had at one time been molested and sexualy abused when younger, making one wonder if they were really gay in the first place or were just really screwed up and confused as most victims of molestation are.
I'd like to see the data on ex-gays who were not victims of sexual crime, and the enviornments they grew up in, and the circumstances of when they "knew they were gay" and then the follow up on when they became straight.
>>Anyway, this guy hung out with other gays for a year or so, until one of the more attractive young women in the department latched onto him. Once he started swimming in the sea of heterosexuality, he never looked back, and they were married with several kids. I last saw them around 10 years ago, and they appeared to be going strong.<<
Isnt that pretty much the definiation of bisexual? It sounds like he was attracted to both.
That (not even sure if that was him actually), or something else?
:)
something else....hehe
I would get banned!!
I disagree with you and SPYDER. I have seen miraculous changes
in people who come to Christ. It's hard work to maintain an inner discipline but then are we not different than animals?
Every single lustful drive we have does not need to be indulged. Sexual orientation is only one among many.
Really? I agree with him on most issues, but I think he's a fool on this particular issue. He is letting the gay activists lead and accepting their premises, even though he would never admit it.
It's not easy to change what arouses you...but you are correct...it just takes dicipline not to act....i think pedophiles just lose control...that's a scary part of society that i wish would go away!
As for churches, the materials don't really belong there either unless they are talking about sin and repenting from sin. If you want sex therapy, see a therapist. If you want the truth about sin, see a minister. If you want an education, you're out of luck.
Homosexuals cannot change their sexual orientation any more than heterosexuals can. It's not like a suit of clothes. God made us the way we are.
BOTH can, however, change their BEHAVIOR and become chaste if they weren't. We can't change our nature, our genetics...who we are. We can only change how we act, how we behave with other people.
With the help of God, His grace and prayer, we can become better people. Yes, it is hard work and God wroughts many miracles. Changing a person's heart, mind, behavior, soul is what He does....not their sexual orientation. That is genetic, just like being heterosexual....genetic.
Homosexuality is nature's error (probably sets of genes gone awry), an error that, as yet, can't be corrected. Nature makes errors sometimes, with children being born blind, mute, with awful diseases, with 6 fingers, brain damage, genital disfigurations, bi-homosexuality and so on. Homosexuality is one of the more PROFOUND abnormalities, but it is just that.
No amount of prayer changes genes....but prayer does change behavior. That's what we all want anyway.
There are some that argue homosexuality and or orientation are scientifically proved realities. I say HA! There is no physical orientation test. Science supposedly deals with the physical -'orientation' is metaphysical... That which the scientists supposedly claim is so and supposedly objectively research a cause or reason for is at best a subjective and dynamic condition -cause unknown. Homosexuality is objectively a manifested procreative abnormality cause unknown that would best be termed homosexual orientation syndrome. All this regardless the psychologists and psychiatrists who without scientific basis turn science on its head and claim normality for that which by scientific definition is not the norm.
Conversely the same scientific regimen or lack thereof would apply to those who attempt to objectively claim or deny "ex-gay" status...
What it comes down to is one simple fact --> "orientation" is subjectively determined and self-declared ONLY.
As such, the conclusion is obvious -those that deny "ex gay" status possible and deny the declarations of "ex-gays" are simply selling and or have bought into the homosexual agenda propaganda hook line and sinker...
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