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Coral Ridge leader labels Bible text for schools ‘relativistic’
South Florida Good Newsletter ^ | April 2006 | Jim Brown

Posted on 04/15/2006 3:02:45 PM PDT by twippo

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1 posted on 04/15/2006 3:02:51 PM PDT by twippo
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"A well-known, local Christian pastor is denouncing a controversial new Bible curriculum designed for public schools which he says encourages students to question whether the Bible is the inspired Word of God."

I support the right of school districts to have elective Bible classes.

But if they do, it can't be religious and so the class will of course question the bible.

That's one reason I'm not enthused about forcing non-Christians to teach bible in public schools.


2 posted on 04/15/2006 3:14:50 PM PDT by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: twippo

The only solution is anarchism + christian self governance.


3 posted on 04/15/2006 3:14:59 PM PDT by bahblahbah
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4 posted on 04/15/2006 3:15:52 PM PDT by twippo (Ted's of Beverly Hills: We want to put our meat in your mouth.)
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To: gondramB
A well-known, local Christian pastor is denouncing a controversial new Bible curriculum designed for public schools which he says encourages students to question whether the Bible is the inspired Word of God.

Within a comparative religion course that includes Hinduism, Hudaism, Buddhism and native americans and primitive peoples, sure, why not?

5 posted on 04/15/2006 3:18:40 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Don't call them "Illegal Aliens." Call them what they are: CRIMINAL INVADERS!)
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To: gondramB

Knowing Dr. Kennedy's activism for a long time, he was one who initially advocated for these very types of classes. I'm sure he would only want believing Christians to teach these courses, but that isn't possible to ensure in a secular environment.


6 posted on 04/15/2006 3:19:09 PM PDT by twippo (Break me off a piece of that kit-kat bar.)
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To: bahblahbah
"The only solution is anarchism + christian self governance."

Yes, well, anarchy is bad for capitalism and there are lots Christians and non-Christians who aren't very good at self governance.
7 posted on 04/15/2006 3:21:04 PM PDT by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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It is not surprising in our current cultural environment that a textbook designed for public schools essentially ignores historical-critical problems. However, these could easily have been incorporated within the attribution approach with statements such as, "Many biblical scholars believe..." Moreover, it is not just historical criticism that is absent; synchronic methods and conclusions receive no real attention either, despite several references to the work of Robert Alter, who is also listed as a consultant. None of the actual authors or "content contributors" — Joanne McPortland, Marjorie Haney Schafer, Ph.D., Marc Stern, J.D., and Eve Tushnet — is listed in the SBL directory or appears to be a biblical scholar by profession. On one level, the absence is astonishing. The project as a whole might be likened to a high school textbook on, say, government, in which no recognition is given to the fields or methods of political science or history, and treatment of issues proceeds by attribution: "conservative Republicans say," "moderate Democrats hold, etc."

Since that time, I have looked more deeply into this project.

There used to be a running joke in response to Falwell's Moral Majority that ran "The moral majority is neither.' Well, the same could be said of the Bible Literacy Project: it is neither Biblical nor literary, and whatever it is about, it is certainly not Bible Literacy.


8 posted on 04/15/2006 3:21:42 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: freedumb2003

Ah, but that wasn't his intent in promoting these programs. The intent is to promote the Bible as divinely inspired.


9 posted on 04/15/2006 3:24:16 PM PDT by twippo (Break me off a piece of that kit-kat bar.)
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To: twippo
"Knowing Dr. Kennedy's activism for a long time, he was one who initially advocated for these very types of classes. I'm sure he would only want believing Christians to teach these courses, but that isn't possible to ensure in a secular environment."

Its really not. You could require degrees in philosophy or religion but that doesn't automatically get you people who believe the bible is the inspired word of God.

And frankly 90% of us who believe the is the inspired word of God believe there are parts of it that cannot be taken literally word for word as God's intent for us to live by.

Fundamentalists won't be happy with that approach either.

10 posted on 04/15/2006 3:24:21 PM PDT by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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You favor Christians seceeding and creating their own nation, ala the Israelites?


11 posted on 04/15/2006 3:26:46 PM PDT by twippo (Break me off a piece of that kit-kat bar.)
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"And frankly 90% of us who believe the is the inspired word of God believe there are parts of it that cannot be taken literally word for word as God's intent for us to live by."

So who decides which words to take literally, symbolically, metaphorically, or spiritually?

12 posted on 04/15/2006 3:29:18 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: gondramB

We know Catholics and Protestants are divided over literal interpretation of John 6:54-56.


13 posted on 04/15/2006 3:29:42 PM PDT by twippo (Break me off a piece of that kit-kat bar.)
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High school and undergrad students questioning and discussing the Bible, history and what not out of position of sheer ignorance is a very 20th century American idea of education, which has lead to many of the cultural and knowledge crises we are experiencing today. We really have a dumbed down populace.


14 posted on 04/15/2006 3:29:45 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: gondramB

I don't like this proposal. Its fraught with problems and too much mischief. I mean how many Bible studies and Sunday schools can a person attend in a average city. Thats not even getting into the subject of private schools


15 posted on 04/15/2006 3:30:47 PM PDT by catholicfreeper
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To: Iam1ru1-2

"So who decides which words to take literally, symbolically, metaphorically, or spiritually?"

Lacking a central authority in Rome, it falls to each Protestant man, woman and/or congregation.


16 posted on 04/15/2006 3:34:42 PM PDT by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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"We know Catholics and Protestants are divided over literal interpretation of John 6:54-56."

Yes, among other things.


17 posted on 04/15/2006 3:35:35 PM PDT by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: catholicfreeper

"I don't like this proposal. Its fraught with problems and too much mischief. I mean how many Bible studies and Sunday schools can a person attend in a average city. Thats not even getting into the subject of private schools"

And I can guarentee you the curriculum will incorporate local bias. For example there are areas in the South with strong anti-Catholic sentiment. Heck, us Baptists have about 40 splinter groups just among us.


18 posted on 04/15/2006 3:37:33 PM PDT by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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No. I don't want any country. There would be no central leadership. I want Christians to serve one another.


19 posted on 04/15/2006 3:41:38 PM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: gondramB

Among many other things. I've yet to meet anyone who went to Catholic school and was taught in the belief of a literal Adam and Eve, six-day creation story. I'm sure Catholics who believe that way exist, but it seems not to be the official position of the church.


20 posted on 04/15/2006 3:41:53 PM PDT by twippo (Break me off a piece of that kit-kat bar.)
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