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Officers in Call to Legalise Use of Drugs
Edinburgh Evening News (UK) ^ | 14 Apr 2006

Posted on 04/15/2006 2:21:22 PM PDT by Know your rights

SCOTTISH police officers have sparked anger after calling for the legalisation of all drugs - including heroin and cocaine.

The Strathclyde Police Federation has called for a dramatic change of direction in the battle on drugs crime, and the issue will be debated later this month.

The body, which represents 7000 officers, is set to argue that all drugs should be licensed in the same way as cigarettes and alcohol. Officers claim this would cut drug deaths and divert police resources to other crime-fighting priorities. It is the first time that an organisation representing officers has made such a demand.

Opponents today said the move would only increase the availability of drugs. But the federation believes millions of pounds are wasted on enforcing existing laws, with little impact on the availability of drugs on the street.

Inspector Jim Duffy, chairman of the federation, said: "We are not winning the war against drugs and we need to think about different ways to tackle it."

The Scottish Executive said that drug legislation is reserved to Westminster.


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To: Dan Evans
How many of these libertines who believe they should be allowed to do whatever turns their crank also believe the rest of us have a responsibility to pay for their spoon-feeding after they become invalids from drug abuse?

I don't much care what they believe ... I don't believe we have such a responsibility.

121 posted on 04/18/2006 3:40:29 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: muawiyah
There's certainly no need for petty consistency in these debates is there?

Not if you don't want there to be.

122 posted on 04/18/2006 3:47:56 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: muawiyah
You are misconstruing what you are reading.

No I'm not. You are ignoring the fact that I said "well regulated". I consider alcohol to be well regulated, for the most part, in the US.

I am suggesting that it is well known that OVERREGULATION of anything creates a blackmarket of "nontaxed" "whatever".

No one has argued otherwise, AFAIK.

It's the primary argument the Libertarian/tine movement(s) use to justify free dope.

Not many advocates of "free dope" around here, unless you mean allowing individuals to grow a few plants for their own consumption.

However, just because overregulation stimulates a black market, it does not follow that underregulation will destroy the black market.

But a well regulated market, such as alcohol, will minimize the black market and therefore minimize profits for organized criminals and terrorists.

So, what would the dopers and the Liberatarian/tines do about this fine state of affairs? Would they perhaps send the armed forces out to suppress young mothers? No doubt that's what they would ask for ~ that's what their hero George Sorros would want ~ sending the army out to gun down young mothers where they stand. That's just one of the reasons nobody trusts the dopers. They'd misuse normal stuff, not just dope.

So don't over regulate, don't under regulate. Well regulate!

123 posted on 04/18/2006 4:09:39 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: muawiyah
I was responding to a statement by Pennboricua

Then you should have done so in a reply to his post, not mine.

Regulation, licensing and control necessarily entail the use, to one degree or the other, of LEO.

A use much preferable to their use in jailing people for any possession or sale.

124 posted on 04/18/2006 4:24:24 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: robertpaulsen
So turning the drug legalization decision over to the individual states, therefore, would be pointless.

That doesn't follow ... "effective" is not a binary, yes-or-no condition. If a state thought that small reductions in use of a popular drug like alcohol or marijuana was worth it, they could adopt that policy. They just have no business setting policy for other states.

125 posted on 04/18/2006 4:27:28 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: muawiyah
Since I didn't propose that the genetically modified plant will displace all the others,

Pretty darn close. You wrote:

In the end recombinant DNA technology is going to take care of the problem of "natural herbs" by allowing for the displacement of the crops you have come to know...

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All the modified plants need do is stand there in the same field with the other plants. If you can't tell the difference, you can't tell the difference eh?!

So if the geneticists come up with an mj plant that has extremely low THC content, and looks like other mj plants, then that should also solve the problem.

Maybe I'll apply for a grant for this idea. I think I'll call it "ditch weed".

126 posted on 04/18/2006 4:28:31 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: muawiyah
Having grown up next door to a Mafia soldier, I can assure you that the black market for alcohol never disappeared. It's alive and thriving.

Have any evidence, or are we supposed to just take your word for it?

Sure, he got arrested toting cocaine at the age of 80.

You want his name, or what?

I want his evidence that the black market for alcohol is "alive and thriving," as you claimed.

127 posted on 04/18/2006 4:29:30 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Know your rights

Really stupid Scottish idiots.


128 posted on 04/18/2006 4:33:08 PM PDT by johna61
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To: johna61
Thanks so much for that insightful, well researched post.
129 posted on 04/18/2006 4:36:38 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Ken H; muawiyah
Do you think the black market in alcohol is proportionally as large as it was during Prohibition?

He says it's "alive and thriving" ... his evidence being some guy he knows.

130 posted on 04/18/2006 5:11:55 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Ken H
Hmmm ~ I thought I was pretty clear that we'd develop the best MJ in the world ~ not the least potent.

As far as total displacement is concerned, presumably as the plants interbreed among themselves, the recombinant genes will be passed on.

131 posted on 04/18/2006 6:15:38 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: Know your rights
If you know how to use google.com you might check out Francis A.J. Ianni and/or Mario Puzo.

They're both excellent sources.

I suppose you've met Frank, of course.

132 posted on 04/18/2006 6:21:06 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah
Hmmm ~ I thought I was pretty clear that we'd develop the best MJ in the world ~ not the least potent.

I thought your argument was that the recombinant strains of mj would be useless for getting a THC high from smoking, thus rendering the smoking of mj useless. If so, then a low THC strain should accomplish the same thing.

As far as total displacement is concerned, presumably as the plants interbreed among themselves, the recombinant genes will be passed on.

So why haven't ditch weed or low-THC hemp plants done the same? And what is to stop growers from selecting out seeds from recombinant plants, or breeding out such a trait?

133 posted on 04/18/2006 6:48:17 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H
Look, you must have missed the exciting part ~ that was that the gene to be inserted in the MJ genome would be the one they plan on putting in Switch Grass.

The deal is that whenever the plant is heated to 180 degrees, the cellulose turns to alcohol.

That would make smoking unknown weed quite hazardous (hence the reference to a Richard Pryor moment).

134 posted on 04/18/2006 6:52:27 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah

Growers are currently able to keep their strains shielded from low-THC strains. What makes you think they couldn't do the same with the recombinant plants?


135 posted on 04/18/2006 7:19:10 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H
Are they?

Or do they just say they can.

136 posted on 04/18/2006 7:23:51 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah
Are they?

Looks like it:

--http://www.briancbennett.com/charts/fed-data/thc-content.htm

137 posted on 04/18/2006 7:32:51 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

Could also have something to do with a shift away from foreign sources to American producers in that year.


138 posted on 04/18/2006 7:40:12 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah
So the Americans are even better at shielding their crop from low potency strains!

Here are the reported THC figures for "sinsemilla" and "marijuana" respectively from 1989 (the year the WOD became a cabinet level priority), and 15 years later:

1989- 6.95 and 3.04
2004- 13.33 and 5.81

That probably outperformed the gains in John Walters' stock portfolio.

139 posted on 04/18/2006 7:59:08 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Mark Felton
I gave you a very concise explanation of the limits of Section 8 and you...

You are full of crap...

140 posted on 04/18/2006 8:02:07 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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