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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Because you don't agree with anything that evolution says, oh, like the non-fixity of species, or common descent.

The non-fixity of species has already been observed in real time. How can I disagree with it? Common descent has also been observed in the present day. So has change on a wide scale among populations, sometimes due to genetic variation and natural selection. How can I disagree with that?

No, [it is not a requirement of theistic evolutionists to reject the accuracy and authority of biblical texts] but you can't take Genesis literally and be an evolutionist of any stripe.

To begin with, you see from the above that I subscribe to the tenets of evolution to some degree. My only questions regard the limits within which evolution takes place. I also subscrbe to the literal accuracy of the biblical texts, including a creation that only took seven literal days. Due to my literal understanding of the biblical texts you say I cannot be an evolutionist of any stripe, but that plainly does not follow. I am a theistic evolutionist.

627 posted on 04/17/2006 6:20:50 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Due to my literal understanding of the biblical texts you say I cannot be an evolutionist of any stripe, but that plainly does not follow. I am a theistic evolutionist.

I'm also a theistic evolutionist, but apparently of a very different stripe. In your mind, what drives selection and mutation? If your answer is God, you're not necessarily wrong (although I think you are), but you have to understand that your view is outside of the answerable purview of science.

630 posted on 04/17/2006 6:28:42 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
"The non-fixity of species has already been observed in real time. How can I disagree with it?"

YEC says otherwise. By *non-fixity* I am saying there is no magical barrier that stops a population from continuing to diverge from the parent species. You don't accept that.

"Common descent has also been observed in the present day."

Don't be coy. You know I am talking about common descent of all life (though the picture could be fuzzier at the tree). For example, that we share a common ancestor with apes goes against YEC. Yet, it is a claim of evolutionary theory. You don't accept that.

"To begin with, you see from the above that I subscribe to the tenets of evolution to some degree."

And I have shown you don't.

"My only questions regard the limits within which evolution takes place."

Uh huh.

" I also subscrbe to the literal accuracy of the biblical texts, including a creation that only took seven literal days."

That rules out evolutionary theory. The earth is 4.5 billion years old.

"Due to my literal understanding of the biblical texts you say I cannot be an evolutionist of any stripe, but that plainly does not follow. I am a theistic evolutionist."

No your not. You're a YEC, which cannot be reconciled with evolutionary theory. You can't keep rewriting the definition of words. They already had meanings.
631 posted on 04/17/2006 6:31:53 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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