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To: churchillbuff
Gen. Richard Myers, the retired chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and General Tommy Franks, the retired commander of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, both appeared on cable TV news shows to criticize former colleagues for publicly questioning the civilian leadership while the nation remains at war.

"My whole perception of this is it's bad for the military, and for military relations, and it's very bad for the country, potentially, because what we are hearing and what we are seeing is not the role the military should be playing in our society," Myers said.

 Retired Marine Lt. Gen. Paul Van Riper said in an interview Friday that "Rumsfeld has failed in a number of ways, including "disastrous" war planning and execution and fostering a poor command climate."

Yesterday, General Thomas G. McInerney said, "Now, think about that statement. Coming off of a war in Afghanistan the U.S. Military defeats the largest military in the middle east in 21 days and that's called disastrous war planning and execution?"

I have a hard time understanding how anyone with enough thinking power to tie their own shoes cannot recognize this as propaganda and bull-o-knee!

Has anyone noticed that not one single Admiral or Air Force General has been complaining. Can a reasonable deduction be made from this coincidence? Is it possible that Rumsfeld's reorganization of the military which openly supports additional naval and air assets and a smaller Army and Marine Corps has anything to do with this?

General Wayne Downing made an intriguing comment this morning 4/15/06 on NBC's Today show, implying that a number of the Rumsfeld critics have ulterior motives: "One of these guys is writing a book. One or more of them have political aspirations. One of them has had his favorite program, the program that he worked on for the last three or four years while he was in the military, skewered by Secretary Rumsfeld. Others were not promoted for one reason or another."

I find it both humorous and shameful that people assume that a handful of Generals complaining about the Secretary of Defense are somehow quote-worthy and correct, when the Generals that actually planned and executed the most brilliant defeat in military history and disagree with these whiners are somehow idiots.

The argument that a handful out of over 8,000 living active duty and retired flag officers is proof of anything beyond squat is laughable.

 

84 posted on 04/15/2006 8:58:03 AM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.)
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To: HawaiianGecko
"My whole perception of this is it's bad for the military, and for military relations, and it's very bad for the country, potentially, because what we are hearing and what we are seeing is not the role the military should be playing in our society," Myers said.

Amen

susie

94 posted on 04/15/2006 9:03:59 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: HawaiianGecko

"Has anyone noticed that not one single Admiral or Air Force General has been complaining. Can a reasonable deduction be made from this coincidence? Is it possible that Rumsfeld's reorganization of the military which openly supports additional naval and air assets and a smaller Army and Marine Corps has anything to do with this?"

IMHO, you hit the nail on the head with this statement above. It is all about the restructuring.


101 posted on 04/15/2006 9:07:51 AM PDT by spkpls4 (Jeremiah 29:11)
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To: HawaiianGecko

You are spot on. Spot on. Why are there no Navy, USAF or Coasties in this bunch of whiners?


134 posted on 04/15/2006 9:38:22 AM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: HawaiianGecko
Yesterday, General Thomas G. McInerney said, "Now, think about that statement. Coming off of a war in Afghanistan the U.S. Military defeats the largest military in the middle east in 21 days and that's called disastrous war planning and execution?"

This is disingenuous. THe discussion revolves around what's happened SINCE then.

333 posted on 04/16/2006 5:02:24 AM PDT by Huck (REINTRODUCE THE REID IMMIGRATION BILL!!!)
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To: HawaiianGecko
General Wayne Downing made an intriguing comment this morning 4/15/06 on NBC's Today show, implying that a number of the Rumsfeld critics have ulterior motives: "One of these guys is writing a book. One or more of them have political aspirations. One of them has had his favorite program, the program that he worked on for the last three or four years while he was in the military, skewered by Secretary Rumsfeld. Others were not promoted for one reason or another."

That's called a smear. "Not promoted for one reason or another?" That's good enough for you? A Today show guest? Looks to me like most folks just hear what they want to hear, yourself included. Glad to see vigorous debate here at FR, though. I still have no idea what's the real deal on this, but I sure ain't gonna go by a cheap smear on the Today show.

334 posted on 04/16/2006 5:08:03 AM PDT by Huck (REINTRODUCE THE REID IMMIGRATION BILL!!!)
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