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The Generals' revolt
WND ^ | Ap 15 06 | Buchanan

Posted on 04/15/2006 8:14:44 AM PDT by churchillbuff

In just two weeks, six retired U.S. Marine and Army generals have denounced the Pentagon planning for the war in Iraq and called for the resignation or firing of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.

Washington Post columnist David Ignatius, who travels often to Iraq and supports the war, says that the generals mirror the views of 75 percent of the officers in the field, and probably more.

This is not a Cindy Sheehan moment.

This is a vote of no confidence in the leadership of the U.S. armed forces by senior officers once responsible for carrying out the orders of that leadership. It is hard to recall a situation in history where retired U.S. Army and Marine Corps generals, almost all of whom had major commands in a war yet under way, denounced the civilian leadership and called on the president to fire his secretary for war.

As those generals must be aware, their revolt cannot but send a message to friend and enemy alike that the U.S. high command is deeply divided, that U.S. policy is floundering, that the loss of Iraq impends if the civilian leadership at the Pentagon is not changed.

The generals have sent an unmistakable message to Commander in Chief George W. Bush: Get rid of Rumsfeld, or you will lose the war.

Columnist Ignatius makes that precise point:

"Rumsfeld should resign because the administration is losing the war on the home front. As bad as things are in Baghdad, America won't be defeated there militarily. But it may be forced into a hasty and chaotic retreat by mounting domestic opposition to its policy. Much of the American public has simply stopped believing the administration's arguments about Iraq, and Rumsfeld is a symbol of that credibility gap. He is a spent force. ..."

With the exception of Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni, the former head of Central Command who opposed the Bush-Rumsfeld rush to war, the other generals did not publicly protest until secure in retirement. Nevertheless, they bring imposing credentials to their charges against the defense secretary.

Major Gen. Paul Eaton, first of the five rebels to speak out, was in charge of training Iraqi forces until 2004. He blames Rumsfeld for complicating the U.S. mission by alienating our NATO allies.

Marine Lt. Gen. Gregory Newbold, director of operations for the Joint Chiefs up to the eve of war, charges Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith with a "casualness and swagger that are the special province of those who have never had to execute these missions – or bury the results."

Maj. Gen. John Batiste, who commanded the Army's 1st Division in Iraq, charges that Rumsfeld does not seek nor does he accept the counsel of field commanders. Maj. Gen. John Riggs echoes Batiste. This directly contradicts what President Bush has told the nation.

Maj. Gen. Charles J. Swannack, former field commander of the 82nd Airborne, believes we can create a stable government in Iraq, but says Rumsfeld has mismanaged the war.

As of Good Friday, the Generals' Revolt has created a crisis for President Bush. If he stands by Rumsfeld, he will have taken his stand against generals whose credibility today is higher than his own.

But if he bows to the Generals' Revolt and dismisses Rumsfeld, the generals will have effected a Pentagon putsch. An alumni association of retired generals will have dethroned civilian leadership and forced the commander in chief to fire the architect of a war upon which not only Bush's place in history depends, but the U.S. position in the Middle East and the world. The commander in chief will have been emasculated by retired generals. The stakes could scarcely be higher.

Whatever one thinks of the Iraq war, dismissal of Rumsfeld in response to a clamor created by ex-generals would mark Bush as a weak if not fatally compromised president. He will have capitulated to a generals' coup. Will he then have to clear Rumsfeld's successor with them?

Bush will begin to look like Czar Nicholas in 1916.

And there is an unstated message of the Generals' Revolt. If Iraq collapses in chaos and sectarian war, and is perceived as another U.S. defeat, they are saying: We are not going to carry the can. The first volley in a "Who Lost Iraq?" war of recriminations has been fired.

In 1951, Gen. MacArthur, the U.S. commander in Korea, defied Harry Truman by responding to a request from GOP House leader Joe Martin to describe his situation. MacArthur said the White House had tied his hands in fighting the war.

Though MacArthur spoke the truth and the no-win war in Korea would kill Truman's presidency, the general was fired. But MacArthur was right to speak the truth about the war his soldiers were being forced to fight, a war against a far more numerous enemy who enjoyed a privileged sanctuary above the Yalu River, thanks to Harry Truman.

In the last analysis, the Generals' Revolt is not just against Rumsfeld, but is aimed at the man who appointed him and has stood by him for three years of a guerrilla war the Pentagon did not predict or expect.


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To: Enterprise

Where is your high school holding its junior prom? Are you going?


321 posted on 04/15/2006 8:18:51 PM PDT by middie (ath.Tha)
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To: bray
Could you be any less 60s cliche?? The war is winding down and the Iraqi are not that far from taking over so let up on the rhetoric. The fact is, this war has been the safest in the history of mankind and a monumental achievment.

You erect all the foolish monuments you want in your own mind. Just don't f___ up my country.

322 posted on 04/15/2006 8:22:18 PM PDT by eskimo (Political groupies - rabid defenders of the indefensible.)
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To: churchillbuff
Anyone else notice this twit's been kicked out of here - AGAIN?

Sic semper trollanus!

323 posted on 04/15/2006 8:36:57 PM PDT by decal (My name is "decal" and I approve this tagline)
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To: decal
Sic semper trollanus?

FRom March 1998, churchillbuff was no troll. Last week Travis McGee was suspended from FR .... something is rotten in Denmark.....

324 posted on 04/15/2006 8:56:29 PM PDT by Yasotay
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To: Yasotay
FRom March 1998, churchillbuff was no troll. Last week Travis McGee was suspended from FR .... something is rotten in Denmark.....

Not only in Denmark. Seems as though the fit is going to hit the shan soon.

325 posted on 04/15/2006 9:00:47 PM PDT by eskimo (Political groupies - rabid defenders of the indefensible.)
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To: eskimo

War is an instrument of policy, not necessarily a failure of politics. There are just wars and wars of necessity.


326 posted on 04/15/2006 9:18:08 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
War is an instrument of policy, not necessarily a failure of politics.

Perhaps in your political fantasy.

327 posted on 04/15/2006 9:28:00 PM PDT by eskimo (Political groupies - rabid defenders of the indefensible.)
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To: middie

Only if you do.


328 posted on 04/15/2006 10:00:53 PM PDT by Enterprise (The MSM - Propaganda wing and news censorship division of the Democrat Party.)
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To: Meadow Muffin
By their own admission, several retired generals willingly and knowingly sent men and women into combat using a "bad plan". If they truly believe this then where are the apologies from these officers to the parents, husbands, wives and children of the individuals these officers sent into harms way on missions these officers felt did not have the prospects for success they should have had?

Additionally, no officer registers a complaint about something like this without a CYA memorandum for the record. Where are those memos?

329 posted on 04/16/2006 4:07:27 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Self appointed RNC Press Secretary for Smarmy Sound Bites.)
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To: PzLdr
You may be correct, but I don't think so. Using German thoughts on war- making is tantamount to making the same mistakes over and over again hoping the results will change. If they (the Germans) were so damned smart, why did they lose two world wars? Could it be the thoughts they possessed about warfare were wrong? I like the concepts of war currently being examined by our Armed Forces. Lethal, quick striking capabilities with follow up force insertions are the models for the future, and I think will work better than having large armies to move around the globe where needed. The wussie generals who are now complaining opposed this concept, and were unable to function in a new environment at the Pentagon. Now we all know why they are EX-Generals, don't we?
330 posted on 04/16/2006 4:14:36 AM PDT by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
And the "under-provisioned" red herring is just that. They deliberately went with "Log Lite" (lower than usual levels of logistics) to speed up the advance and minimize casualties. The drive-by media didn't understand that, as they understand nothing military (or anything more complicated than how to use a word processor), and perpetuated it as the military having too few provisions.

Unfortunately, it appears a few of our FRiends above your post have consumed that Kool-Aid. BTW, I get the concept of "Log Lite" and why it was essential, and I never served. The media should be ashamed for perpetuating this lie.

331 posted on 04/16/2006 4:18:36 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (HEY - Billy Joe! You ARE an American Idiot!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Our military should never be placed in a nation-building role, they should be warriors. Leave peace-keeping, nation-building, etc. to someone else.

Nation building was a major flip flop by GWB.

332 posted on 04/16/2006 4:57:40 AM PDT by Huck (REINTRODUCE THE REID IMMIGRATION BILL!!!)
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To: HawaiianGecko
Yesterday, General Thomas G. McInerney said, "Now, think about that statement. Coming off of a war in Afghanistan the U.S. Military defeats the largest military in the middle east in 21 days and that's called disastrous war planning and execution?"

This is disingenuous. THe discussion revolves around what's happened SINCE then.

333 posted on 04/16/2006 5:02:24 AM PDT by Huck (REINTRODUCE THE REID IMMIGRATION BILL!!!)
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To: HawaiianGecko
General Wayne Downing made an intriguing comment this morning 4/15/06 on NBC's Today show, implying that a number of the Rumsfeld critics have ulterior motives: "One of these guys is writing a book. One or more of them have political aspirations. One of them has had his favorite program, the program that he worked on for the last three or four years while he was in the military, skewered by Secretary Rumsfeld. Others were not promoted for one reason or another."

That's called a smear. "Not promoted for one reason or another?" That's good enough for you? A Today show guest? Looks to me like most folks just hear what they want to hear, yourself included. Glad to see vigorous debate here at FR, though. I still have no idea what's the real deal on this, but I sure ain't gonna go by a cheap smear on the Today show.

334 posted on 04/16/2006 5:08:03 AM PDT by Huck (REINTRODUCE THE REID IMMIGRATION BILL!!!)
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To: Huck
"A Today show guest?"

He's and NBC analyst...not exactly known for being the first line of defense for anyone in the Bush administration.

Then there's "Slate", another source not exactly a friend to this White House calling these six generals the "less then one tenth of one percent" generals.

That's in reaction to the fact that there are currently over 8,000 retire and active duty general officers (900 on active duty) and only six who are complaining...six who have ulterior motives according to an NBS analyst.

Interestingly enough, also pointed out by Slate, there were twelve retired generals who openly opposed the appointment of Gonzales as Attorney General.

335 posted on 04/16/2006 5:13:07 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Huck

IF you did some research, you would know which of these Generals were not promoted and why. And talk about a smear: one of the generals calls Rummy "abusive" on TV, and gives no details? This was a coordinated effort by a series of ex-generals spnsored by General Zini, and is part of the DNC's game plan to undermine the war on terror.


336 posted on 04/16/2006 5:13:08 AM PDT by Laverne
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To: Admin Moderator
How was this person churchillbuff able to change the date when he joined?

When you pass over churchillbuff name it reads

Since 1998-3-16

337 posted on 04/16/2006 5:13:29 AM PDT by restornu
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To: Laverne
General Zinni, architect of the USS Cole disaster and general who urged the Clinton White House not to take sanctions against Pakistan...where the bombers came from.

Oddly enough, right after he retired Zinni took a leading position with a telecommunications company doing mega-bucks business in...Pakistan.

338 posted on 04/16/2006 5:15:00 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: AntiGuv
Yeah, I know my opinion is in the definite minority here, so that's all I'm gonna say about this.

More bad news for you: I agree with you entirely, about Rumsfeld, about the troops, about MacArthur, and about civilian control of the military. No one could state it better.

339 posted on 04/16/2006 5:27:55 AM PDT by jammer
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To: Laverne

You say "coordinated" as if there's something wrong with it. Freeps are coordinated. That doesn't discredit them.


340 posted on 04/16/2006 5:44:06 AM PDT by Huck (REINTRODUCE THE REID IMMIGRATION BILL!!!)
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