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Holt Plays Down Middle, Downing Suggests Critical Generals Have Axes to Grind
Today Show/NewsBusters | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 04/15/2006 5:27:53 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest

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To: soloNYer

Lester will remain 'unqualified' with that attitude.


21 posted on 04/15/2006 6:05:26 AM PDT by johnny7 (“Nah, I ain’t Jewish, I just don’t dig on swine, that’s all.”)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I don't understand why this administration keeps admitting to "mistakes." Who doesnt make mistakes? WWI & II had "mistake" after mistake. The American revolution. A tactical disaster. The end result, we won.

Liberals are by nature quitters. Why the heck we show ANY weakness is completely beyond me. Save the second guessing for after the war. And, these big mouthed generals? Hang 'em.

22 posted on 04/15/2006 6:16:44 AM PDT by N. Beaujon (http://www.nbeaujon.com)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

A must read, keep for your records.

The Hidden History of the Iraq War Critics
April 14th, 2006
http://americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5414

From little hooded monk (comments)

'The carping critics erect a rhetorical, if not imaginary, entity so they can bash it with charges of ''not enough troops'' and other hindsight insight.'

At Good Friday services yesterday, I learned a new word to define the political detractors of our President and his War on Terror policies...MUMPSIMUS.

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-mum1.htm

''there was once a medieval monk who persistently said a phrase in the Latin Eucharist wrongly, either because he was illiterate and had learned it that way or because it had been transcribed incorrectly in his copy./SNIP/What made this particular mistake memorable is what the monk was supposed to have said when he was corrected./SNIP/the monk replied that he had said it that way for forty years and ''I will not change my old mumpsimus for your new sumpsimus''.

As a result, the word came to be applied to someone who sticks obstinately to their old ways, in spite of the clearest evidence that they are wrong. The word can also have the related meaning of some custom or notion that is adhered to, even though it has been shown to be unreasonable.''


23 posted on 04/15/2006 6:24:50 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Enforcement: A job Americans would do (a typical Foxette))
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To: joesbucks
You are falling into the trap. . the "we are having it both ways" gambit that is an illogical twisted tactic of the left. It is never more effective than when conservatives themselves begin to mouth the same line. . .rubbish!

Deal with the facts. . .here's just one to chew on: Bill Clinton: "I loathe the military."

24 posted on 04/15/2006 6:27:44 AM PDT by McBuff
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

A must read, keep for your records.

The Hidden History of the Iraq War Critics
April 14th, 2006
http://americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5414

From little hooded monk (comments)

'The carping critics erect a rhetorical, if not imaginary, entity so they can bash it with charges of ''not enough troops'' and other hindsight insight.'

At Good Friday services yesterday, I learned a new word to define the political detractors of our President and his War on Terror policies...MUMPSIMUS.

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-mum1.htm

''there was once a medieval monk who persistently said a phrase in the Latin Eucharist wrongly, either because he was illiterate and had learned it that way or because it had been transcribed incorrectly in his copy./SNIP/What made this particular mistake memorable is what the monk was supposed to have said when he was corrected./SNIP/the monk replied that he had said it that way for forty years and ''I will not change my old mumpsimus for your new sumpsimus''.

As a result, the word came to be applied to someone who sticks obstinately to their old ways, in spite of the clearest evidence that they are wrong. The word can also have the related meaning of some custom or notion that is adhered to, even though it has been shown to be unreasonable.''


25 posted on 04/15/2006 6:31:40 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Enforcement: A job Americans would do (a typical Foxette))
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To: OldFriend
Thought it might be scrappleface!

LOL

26 posted on 04/15/2006 6:35:37 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Oh, for the days when "disrespect" was just a noun.)
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To: AliVeritas

Zinni ran CENTCOM for a number of years and no doubt had invasion plans sitting on the shelf. I wonder if he felt slighted when those plans were used as doorstops?

A must read about Zinni...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1142417/posts


27 posted on 04/15/2006 6:39:50 AM PDT by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Retired Generals Defend Rumsfeld
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/006760.php


28 posted on 04/15/2006 6:52:26 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Enforcement: A job Americans would do (a typical Foxette))
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To: joesbucks
Her most notable contributions to the discussion were to invite her guest to take a shot at Pres. Bush as long as he was at it, and to ask why he didn't come out sooner with his criticism so he could have 'shaped public opinion far earlier.'

We're only supposed to see it "their way". Going after Clinton, Gore or Kerry is not in the best interests of the MSM.
29 posted on 04/15/2006 6:52:34 AM PDT by Pox
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To: Laverne
Nice report; when will they fire Holt? His even handedness is unacceptable by the NBC management....

My first thought too.

Bet he's on 'sabbatical' come September.

30 posted on 04/15/2006 6:53:30 AM PDT by woofer (It is not necessary to understand things in order to argue about them.)
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To: Wristpin

Excellent link.


31 posted on 04/15/2006 7:04:15 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Enforcement: A job Americans would do (a typical Foxette))
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To: Wristpin

As I posted yesterday...
This is informative
The Generals' Revolt
http://formerspook.blogspot.com/2006/04/generals-revolt.html


32 posted on 04/15/2006 7:06:51 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Enforcement: A job Americans would do (a typical Foxette))
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To: Wristpin

Firing spitballs at Rumsfeld
http://www.redstate.com/story/2006/4/14/194015/807


33 posted on 04/15/2006 7:07:57 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Enforcement: A job Americans would do (a typical Foxette))
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

A pathetic display by soldier/politicians who were either bypassed for promotion or had their own bad ideas ignored. Its a CNN practise to dredge up these losers for display in trying to buttress the MSM agenda.

Kudos to Lester Holt for his interview with a sensible retired General Officer who has his head screwed on right.


34 posted on 04/15/2006 7:11:46 AM PDT by hgro
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To: freedom4me

What's the e-mail?


35 posted on 04/15/2006 7:13:34 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Zarqawi, al-Qaeda are heading out, U.S. general says
Liberal generals response: GODAMMIT THAT RUMSFELD HAS TO GO!!!!

Al Qaeda in Iraq and its presumed leader, Abu Musab Zarqawi, have conceded strategic defeat and are on their way out of the country, a top U.S. military official contended yesterday.



Let's only hope that this is true. It echos his last letter to Zawairi about the need for a new stronghold....but whereto?

The West Bank? Lebanon? Gaza? Egypt?

The group's failure to disrupt national elections and a constitutional referendum last year "was a tactical admission by Zarqawi that their strategy had failed," said Lt. Gen. John R. Vines, who commands the XVIII Airborne Corps.

"They no longer view Iraq as fertile ground to establish a caliphate and as a place to conduct international terrorism," he said in an address at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

Gen. Vines' statement came as news broke that coalition and Iraqi forces had killed an associate of Osama bin Laden's during an early morning raid near Abu Ghraib about two weeks ago.

Rafid Ibrahim Fattah aka Abu Umar al Kurdi served as a liaison between terrorist networks and was linked to Taliban members in Afghanistan, Pakistani-based extremists and other senior al Qaeda leaders, the military said yesterday.

In the past six months, al Kurdi had worked as a terrorist cell leader in Baqouba. Prior to that, he had traveled extensively Pakistan, Iran and Iraq and formed a relationship with al Qaeda senior leaders in 1999 while in Afghanistan.

He also had ties with the Muslim Brotherhood, formed while he was in Iran and Pakistan, and joined the jihad in Afghanistan in 1989, the military said. He was killed March 27.

http://flyingassmonkey.blogspot.com/2006/04/zarqawi-al-qaeda-are-heading-out-us.html


36 posted on 04/15/2006 7:15:41 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Enforcement: A job Americans would do (a typical Foxette))
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

What a coincidence.

"Stuff Happens" play sears Rumsfeld in New York

NEW YORK (Reuters) - A play that skewers Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld as arrogant and war-mad has opened to a largely favorable welcome in New York this week, even as former generals turn against him in Washington.

In "Stuff Happens," by British playwright David Hare, Rumsfeld is described as a "velociraptor" and at one point his character says "I could eat a baby through the bars of a crib."

The growing number of retired U.S. generals who have called for his ouster has not gone that far describing Rumsfeld, but the arrogance and failure to heed military advisers that they accuse him of are given dramatic life in Hare's play.

The play casts Rumsfeld and Vice President Dick Cheney as driving President Bush in a rush to war in Iraq, and portrays former Secretary of State Colin Powell as clashing with the others over the need for war.

"The play superbly captures the decision making, manipulations and miscalculations that have by now been thoroughly documented," the New York Post said in its review of the play. "'Stuff Happens' is a riveting piece of theater that well justifies the playwright's description of it as a 'history play,"' in the Shakespearean tradition.

First produced in London in 2004, "Stuff Happens" takes its title from Rumsfeld's quip dismissing the looting after U.S. troops entered Baghdad. Drawing on recorded quotes from Bush and his closest aides, the play recreates the build-up to the March 2003 invasion of Iraq, including many closed-door scenes that Hare imagined entirely.

In contrast to Post and the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal panned "Stuff Happens." As a documentary, it said, the play was "a flop, full of coarse caricatures and stiff with smugness," that stroked the preconceptions of an audience that "sniggered from start to finish."

The play has been updated since its first production, to focus more on Powell and his clashes with Rumsfeld and Cheney, who between them lay out the arguments promoted by neoconservatives who pressed for the Iraq invasion.

Bush comes over as an opaque figure but one who is the ultimate decision-maker, while British Prime Minister Tony Blair is portrayed as an idealist.

The New York Times in its review said an alternative title for the play could be "The Tragedy of Colin Powell."

"He is Brutus in 'Julius Caesar,' an honorable man forced to run a race he no longer believes in," the paper said.

It is for pushing the war and ignoring the advice of his top generals that the 73-year-old Rumsfeld has come under fire in recent weeks from a small but influential group of retired generals who have called openly for his resignation.

Bush has stuck by Rumsfeld even as criticism over the war has helped drive the president's approval ratings to new lows. Bush issued a statement on Friday expressing his full support for the defense secretary.

Reuters/VNU

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060414/stage_nm/rumsfeld_dc


37 posted on 04/15/2006 7:19:14 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Enforcement: A job Americans would do (a typical Foxette))
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To: joesbucks
Yet had this been retired generals and admirals critical of Clinton, Gore or Kerry in time of war, the vast majority on this forum would be applauding the actions of the "brave military men and sailors coming forward with the abuses of the military".

We'll never know because Clinton was risk averse. He didn't have the backbone, nor did any of his SecDEFs, to do what Bush has done. By the way, there were active duty officers who criticized Clinton and paid for it with their careers. They didn't wait until they had retired.

Had Zinni publicly criticized Clinton while on active duty instead of waiting until after he retired he might be receiving more respect today. Although considering his anti-semitism along with his other ulterior motives that is unlikely. Same goes for the cabal attacking Rumsfeld. These officers followed the path of convenience not the path of conscience.

We can't have it both ways folks.

Sure we can. This is a partisan site. By its very nature the media is supposed to be objective and unbiased while functioning as reporters. Free Republic doesn't, nor does it need to, make that claim.

38 posted on 04/15/2006 7:31:12 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Mark, thank you again for your continuing work - yours is the first ping I read every morning.

On the Rummy issue, once the LSM finally gets it into their thick skulls that President Bush is NOT going to fire him, they'll bounce back over to bashing VP Cheney. This morning's headlines are already trying to make it look as if he cheated on his income taxes.

They just need their pinata du jour.

39 posted on 04/15/2006 7:31:42 AM PDT by Inspectorette
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To: freedom4me

Does anyone really believe that these hosts have the candle power to formulate their own questions?

Most of them seem to have difficulty correctly pronouncing the words written for them by the copy writers.


40 posted on 04/15/2006 7:32:16 AM PDT by right neck
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