ISP Snooping Gaining Support

CNet ^ | 4/14/06 | Declan McCullagh

[steve-b]

The explosive idea of forcing Internet providers to record their customers' online activities for future police access is gaining ground in state capitols and in Washington, D.C....

Mandatory data retention requirements worry privacy advocates because they permit police to obtain records of e-mail chatter, Web browsing or chat-room activity that normally would have been discarded after a few months. And some proposals would require providers to retain data that ordinarily never would have been kept at all....

Jim Harper, director of information policy studies at the free-market Cato Institute, was the member of the Homeland Security's Data Privacy and Integrity Advisory Committee who asked Chertoff about data retention last month.

In an interview this week, Harper warned that mandatory data retention may cause more harm than good. "The true criminals will go and use random Wi-Fi nodes where you can get anonymous access," he said. "You haven't done anything but increase surveillance of law-abiding citizens."

[rattrap]

Damn, did I move to China? I thought this was America, guess I was wrong.

[elkfersupper]

The good news is...........they can't possibly lock us all up.

Who would be left to bust their @sses, only to have an increasingly-large percentage of their income and net worth confiscated to equip these people and pay their salaries?

Oops! Never mind. Most people apparently think paying taxes is a privilege. The more, the better.

[oceanview]

the details in this article are downright insane, especially Chertoff's comments.

can you imagine the size of the sniffers and the disk arrays needed if every web page every person visited was logged for up to two years, as well as every email?

and how do they filter out the spam porn mail that we all get as being an "illegitimate" part of the traffic that flows to us? or is everyone who get porn spam a sex offender now?

the administration is going too far here - this is what I can't stand, they take a legitimate program like the overseas phone taps, which most americans support, and then they try and parlay it into this monster.

[oceanview]

government is comprised of mostly dummy beauracrats - look at chertoff's comments in the article. they just issue mandates - "store everything that flows over the internet for 2 years" - and expect industry to just magically do it. in the meantime, the FBI can't get email to work for its agents.

if this ever passed - buy stock in disk array makers.

[Philistone]

Current law states that any records that are over six months old require only a warrent to see. Records less than six months old require a subpeona.

That's why Google's policy of making it difficult to delete your Gmails is so pernicious.

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[InterceptPoint]

Only people who need to encript will bother to deal with the hassels of encriptation. Encription is big flag that says to NSA's computers, "Look at me!" NSA can crack your 128 bit PGP in a matter of minutes.

OK then people will go to 256 bits or 1024 bits. Even NSA has it's limits in terms of capability and resources. The fact of the matter is that most people don't use things like PGP because there is no real need. But once the Government decides they want to read your e-mail, check out the web sites you are visiting then the apps will be written to make hiding yourself easy and common. Just a natural reaction. It doesn't have to be that way but that's the way it will probably go. Time will tell.

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[endthematrix]

It's the same with data mining.

[Jeff Gordon]

But once the Government decides they want to read your e-mail,...etc

The government already does this. If you are a terrorist, child pornographer, major drug dealer or Cindy Sheehan then the FBI's Carnivore systems are sniffing your packets.

[mo]

"It's getting to be like there's no special status for being a Citizen..." oh I'm afraid there's a VERY SPECIAL citizen status....you get to pay not only for your health care, but that of several illegal aliens, you get to be taxed, while they benefit from our taxation, you get your emails monitored while they get drivers licenses and the right to vote....to take even more from us all.

[clyde asbury]

Let the games begin.

Yes. Let's go.

spook.lines

"Of course, me listing these activities and groups in the file does not mean I support them in any way -- they are just meant to raise the flags of automatic surveillance software.
...
"This is an actual real threat to on-line privacy (EFF, ACLU, etc.) with systems like ECHELON and CARNIVORE (DCS1000). Sticking these words in your mail probably really annoys them.

The default collection of phrases is pretty short and a little bit outdated. I've extended it with the names of real terrorist groups, more current political figures, and lots more insurgent/illegal keywords. Of course, me listing these activities and groups in the file does not mean I support them in any way -- they are just meant to raise the flags of automatic surveillance software. Edit to your liking.

This is the same format as zippy's yow.lines file. Every entry ends in a ascii 0 (control-atsign) Everything before the first ascii 0 is a comment. Add your favorite spook phrases here!" Made more current and extensive by Tom 7 in 2001. Contains a long list of real terrorist organizations and people. Some "popular" keywords are listed multiple times to make them more common.

$400 million 1 October 15 May 17 November 3rd October ACLU ADF AES AIDS AIIB AK-47 ALIR ANO ARD ARN ASALA ASG Abu Nidal Abu Sayyaf Aceh Merdeka Aden-Abyan Ahl-e-Hadees Air Force One Al-Fatah Al-`Asifa Alamo Albanian Alex Boncayao Brigade Alliance of Eritrean National Force Alliance pour la resistance democratique Allied Democratic Forces American American Airlines Amn Araissi Arab Revolutionary Brigades Arab Revolutionary Council Area 51 Aum Shinrikyo Aum Supreme Truth Avtomat Kalasnikov BATF Babbar Khalsa Baghdad Berlin Bhinderanwala Tiger Force Black September Brigate Rosse CIA CIRA CNDD CNRM CNRT Catholic Reaction Force China Chukaku-Ha Clinton Cocaine Communist Conseil Cuba DES DFLP DNA Dal Khalsa Dayak Delta Airlines Delta Force Dev Sol Devrimci Sol EFF ELF-RC ESSA EZLN Eastern Shan State Army Eiffel Tower Ejercito Popular Boricua Ejercito Popular Revolucionario Ellalan Force Eritrean Euzkadi Ta Askatasuna FALINA FALINTIL FALN FBI FMLN FRETILIN FROLINA FSF Farabundo Marti Fatah Force 17 Free Aceh Ft. Bragg Ft. Meade GIA GRAPO George Bush George W Bush Gerakin Aceh Merdeka Grey Wolves HAMAS Harakat ul-Ansar Hawari Hitler Hizb-i Wahdat Hizb-i-Islami Hizb-ul-Mujahideen Hizballah Hizbullah Honduras ICBM IRA Ikhwan-ul-Mussalmin Interahamwe Iparretarrak Islamic Israel JKLF Jamaat ul-Fuqra Jamat-e-Islami Jamiat-e-Ahl-e-Hadees KGB KKK Kach Kahane Chai Kashmir Kennedy Khaddafi Khalistan Khmer Rouge Komala Kosovo Kurdish Kurdistan Kuwait LSD LTTE La Cosa Nostra Lakshar-e-Taiba Lautaro Legion of Doom Lenin Les mongoles MAPU/L MD5 MI6 MILF MNLF Macheteros Macheteros Mafia Maktab al-Khidamat Manuel Rodriguez Marxist Maubere Resistance Mayi-Mayi Middle-Core Mohajir Qaumi Mong Tai Morazanist Mossad Mothaidda Quami Mujahedin-e Khalq Myanmar NORAD NSA Navy Nazi Nellis Range Noriega North Korea Oklahoma City Ortega Osama Bin Laden PALIPEHUTU PCP PGP PLO Pakistan Panama Pearl Harbor Peking Provos Qaddafi RC5 RDX RENAMO RSA Reno Romania Rule Psix SCUBA SDI SEAL Team 6 SHA SWAT Saddam Hussein Saheed Khalsa Scientology Semtex Serbian Shora-e-Jehad Sivi Vukovi South Africa Soviet Steyr Students of the Engineer TEMPEST TNT Tal Al Za'atar Talaa' al-Fateh Tamil Eelam Teamsters Terra Lliure Treasury Tupac Amaru U-235 US Airways Uzi Waco White House World Trade Center Zapatistas airframe airport al-Gama'at al-Islamiyya al-Jihad al-Qa'ida algorithm amatol ambush ambush ammo ammunition anonymous anti-tank archives armada armor armor-piercing arms arrangements assassinate assassination assassination assault atomic bomb bank account biological blowfish bomb bomb boobytrap border c4 camera carnivore charcoal chemical child pornography chinese class struggle claymore cocaine codebook colonel commando composition b conspiracy constitution cordite corporate corrupt council counter-intelligence crack-cocaine cracking cray credit card cryptographic czar d-day data haven defcon defenses democratie detcord detonate detonators dictionary disruption divers doctrine domestic doomsday double agent e-bola echelon efnet embassy embassy embassy empire encrypt enigma explosion explosive faction fertilizer fissionable flight 800 freedom freemasons genetic gold bullion government grenades guns hack harbor heroin hijack hostage hostages hydrogen bomb illuminati impulse incendiaries infiltration infosec infrastructure initiators insurgent intel international internet worm interpol jihad kamikazi kampuchea kibo kill kill kill kill launch codes lead azide lead styphante liberate liberation limousine lockpick loyalist main charge marijuana martyr maverick mercury fulminate microfiche microfilm minefield mines motorcade motorola mouvement munitions napalm nationalist nitric acid nitrocellulose nuclear oppressed orthodox password picric acid pipe-bomb plague platter charge plutonium plutonium policy political pre-teen president president primers private key propaganda psyops public key pulse detonation engine radar rail gun rebel remailer resistance revolucionario rijndael robotic rockets root-servers.net rubella salt peter sanctions satelliate satellite satellite phone secret secret key secret service secure security sequence shaped charge smallpox smuggle sniper sniper socialist space station spy steganography strategic submarine subsonic suicide suicide bombing sulfur supercomputer supersonic surveillance teflon bullets terminate terrorist theater missile defense thermite timers tunneling undercover undernet uranium virus warfare warrant weapons white noise generator wiretap zenith

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"It's getting to be like there's no special status for being a Citizen..." oh I'm afraid there's a VERY SPECIAL citizen status....you get to pay not only for your health care, but that of several illegal aliens, you get to be taxed, while they benefit from our taxation, you get your emails monitored while they get drivers licenses and the right to vote....to take even more from us all.

Man oh man, you got that right!!

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bttt

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Or if you log onto and/or post to FReerepublic, they might be watching you

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