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ISP Snooping Gaining Support
CNet ^ | 4/14/06 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 04/14/2006 1:21:05 PM PDT by steve-b

The explosive idea of forcing Internet providers to record their customers' online activities for future police access is gaining ground in state capitols and in Washington, D.C....

Mandatory data retention requirements worry privacy advocates because they permit police to obtain records of e-mail chatter, Web browsing or chat-room activity that normally would have been discarded after a few months. And some proposals would require providers to retain data that ordinarily never would have been kept at all....

Jim Harper, director of information policy studies at the free-market Cato Institute, was the member of the Homeland Security's Data Privacy and Integrity Advisory Committee who asked Chertoff about data retention last month.

In an interview this week, Harper warned that mandatory data retention may cause more harm than good. "The true criminals will go and use random Wi-Fi nodes where you can get anonymous access," he said. "You haven't done anything but increase surveillance of law-abiding citizens."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: 1984; bigbrother; billofrights; carnivore; constitutionlist; doubleplusgood; endofprivacy; govwatch; hsa; internet; jackbootedthugs; libertarians; noprivacy; patriotact; privacy; scamalert; snooping; youareyouripaddress
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To: mo
any legal eagles...how come the 5th ammendment no longer seems to work here?

Oh come on, the Constitution is just so passe these days. As far as Bush's government is concerned, they can have ANY info on you that is being kept by a third party without even bothering with a warrant.

21 posted on 04/14/2006 1:52:12 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: steve-b
This is so easily circumvented that the idea is dumb at face value. At MOST, the ISPs could record where you went. But with the application of IPSec and SSL tunneling, it would be easy enough to connect to a server outside of the US and then tunnel your traffic to other sites.
22 posted on 04/14/2006 1:53:36 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: InterceptPoint
It may be hard (but maybe not impossible) to hide where you go but you will be able to hide the transactions.

It's worth checking out Tor which allows for anonymous browsing.

23 posted on 04/14/2006 1:54:19 PM PDT by cryptical (Wretched excess is just barely enough.)
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To: coconutt2000
Cable and Wireless is headquartered in the Bahamas... High bandwidth WILL NOT be an issue.
24 posted on 04/14/2006 1:55:40 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol
This is so easily circumvented

Why should I have to be sneaky to have some privacy. Even if I'm just watching TV I don't want someone peering in my windows to make sure the movie is PG.

25 posted on 04/14/2006 2:01:48 PM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: cryptical
It's worth checking out Tor which allows for anonymous browsing.

Indeed it is. You make my point. The more talk there is about Government snooping on Internet Users the more you will see an acceleration in the development of applications like Tor.

Let the games begin.

26 posted on 04/14/2006 2:03:27 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: steve-b

It's just a hidden tax on ISPs and will be passed along to customers. Who get to pay for this monitoring, overhead, and storage. You and me, that's who.


27 posted on 04/14/2006 2:05:28 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: maine-iac7

"and you can make a case for being safer under the socialistDems????"

Safe? I don't want to be safe. I want to be free.


28 posted on 04/14/2006 2:08:02 PM PDT by VRing (Nine out the ten voices in my head told me to stay home and clean my rifle today.)
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To: coconutt2000
Anonymous internet surfing
29 posted on 04/14/2006 2:11:17 PM PDT by FReepaholic (I was FReepin' when FReepin' wasn't cool.)
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To: coconutt2000
The simplest solution would be to piggy back off your neighbor's wireless when you're doing something naughty.

Don't forget to hack the ethernet MAC address on your card. Otherwise the particular computer used in the "transaction" will be traceable. For tips on this, Google is sometimes your friend.

America is all about freedom.

30 posted on 04/14/2006 2:12:20 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: traviskicks

libertarian ping wow that jorge agusto sure is reigning in the fed gov huh ?Thank god a majority of the people pulled the republican lever last election


31 posted on 04/14/2006 2:12:41 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: VRing
Safe? I don't want to be safe. I want to be free.

you got me - how can you be free if not safe?

and how are you going to be free under a socialist/communist/liberal run govt?

How is this preferable to a republican gov't - even if it has warts?

Your reasoning escapes me......

32 posted on 04/14/2006 2:14:20 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (",,,BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL OF THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME" Lincoln)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Mywish would be this: I could track spammers and pop-up writers and send them a message that would make their monitors explode and the computers shut down forever.


33 posted on 04/14/2006 2:16:06 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: taxcontrol

i think you are right about this.
i'm not an info management wiz, but it seems that if the government starts to require the isp's to keep track of the content (in addition to the address) of sites that everybody visits, that the whole thing would come crashing down, since it would require infinite capacity to store everything.


34 posted on 04/14/2006 3:11:53 PM PDT by nechayev
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To: InterceptPoint
PGP will grow like a weed.

Only people who need to encript will bother to deal with the hassels of encriptation. Encription is big flag that says to NSA's computers, "Look at me!" NSA can crack your 128 bit PGP in a matter of minutes.

35 posted on 04/14/2006 3:43:21 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Is tractus pro pensio.)
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To: FReepaholic

That certainly works, but the VPN solution is elegant because it translocates your apparent point of origin to a network in the Bahamas. It can also be configured to funnel 100% of your internet traffic via the encrypted pipe so that somebody would have to be snooping the VPN gateway in the Bahamas in order to intercept your traffic, which would be outside of Federal jurisdiction.

100% of internet traffic includes file sharing/swapping services, chat programs, telnet, IRC, etc; and not just the web. Some VPN clients will even allow you to define exceptions to the rule so that legitimate network use can be broadcast normally over your network, or out to the internet unencrypted.

Quite literally VPN is the coolest privacy tool I've found. Although, I don't see why encrypted connections aren't used for everything already. Even just a simple compression algorithm would be enough to protect most data from casual snoopers.


36 posted on 04/14/2006 6:13:00 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: freepatriot32; albertp; Allosaurs_r_us; Abram; Americanwolfsbrother; AlexandriaDuke; ...
"The true criminals will go and use random Wi-Fi nodes where you can get anonymous access," he said. "You haven't done anything but increase surveillance of law-abiding citizens."





Libertarian ping! To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here.
37 posted on 04/14/2006 6:14:30 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/israel_palestine_conflict.htm)
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To: steve-b
Islamonazi Iran

Communist North Korea

Communist China

Communist Cuba

Islamonazi Syria

Iraq

Russia

.

.

Gee! What a great club to join. I mean, if it is good enough for North Korea and Iran, it must be good enough for America.

38 posted on 04/14/2006 6:30:58 PM PDT by M203M4
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To: INSENSITIVE GUY
Nail American citizens but allow ILLEGALS to do as they please.

It's getting to be like there's no special status for being a Citizen. Maybe in the eyes of politicians we're all Illegals now. It's what you can do for the politician, not who you think you are and what intrinsic rights you've been deluded to presume you have.

39 posted on 04/14/2006 6:46:04 PM PDT by kcar ( What demographic voting block are you?)
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To: mo
any legal eagles...how come the 5th ammendment no longer seems to work here?

5th ammendment? I saw it at a thrift shop next to the 10th ammendment. No 16th ammendment though.
40 posted on 04/14/2006 6:50:40 PM PDT by Kokojmudd (Outsource GM to a Red State! Put Walmart in charge of all Federal agencies!)
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