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Not So Friendly Amici: Look who's filing Supreme Court briefs now. (Foreign meddlers)
The Weekly Standard ^ | April 24, 2006 | Daveed Gartenstein-Ross

Posted on 04/13/2006 6:01:11 PM PDT by quidnunc

Conservative legal scho;ars have long warned that judges' reliance on foreign opinions might undermine the mechanism for setting domestic policy under the Constitution. Now, for the second time, a friend of the court brief has been submitted to the Supreme Court by foreign politicians in a case relating to detainees at Guantánamo, suggesting that constitutional control over foreign policy could be similarly jeopardized.

The case is Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, challenging the administration's military commissions for trying Guantánamo detainees. In the course of the litigation, a shifting group of "current and former members of the United Kingdom and European Union Parliaments" has filed a series of amicus briefs urging the Court to strike down the commissions. Although the original brief had 271 signatories, the number had ballooned to 422 by the time the Supreme Court decided to hear the case.

The submission that these "friends" filed makes clear that they seek to end the military commissions on the basis of international opinion rather than U.S. law, though they couch this argument in legalese. The brief notes in the opening section that it won't address any of the contested issues of U.S. law because "to the outside world it boils down to the simple, but crucial, question of whether the system of legal norms that purports to restrain the conduct of states vis-à-vis individuals within their power will survive the terrorist threat."

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(Excerpt) Read more at weeklystandard.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: amicusbrief; foreignlaw; hamdanvrumsfeld; scotus
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1 posted on 04/13/2006 6:01:12 PM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc

Where's Laura Ingraham with her hilarious Breyer soundbites?


2 posted on 04/13/2006 6:02:09 PM PDT by Huck (REINTRODUCE THE REID IMMIGRATION BILL!!!)
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To: quidnunc

Wonder how many they've filed with China? Oh that's right, China would tell them to STFU!


3 posted on 04/13/2006 6:05:58 PM PDT by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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To: quidnunc

"to the outside world"

The EU often likes to pretend it's the "world"

How about some hearings for those London bombers? No court days yet? LOL hypocrites.


4 posted on 04/13/2006 6:08:25 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Congressman Billybob
Bet ol' John Marshall's running at high RPM about now...

Again.

5 posted on 04/13/2006 6:10:43 PM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline deliberately targeted journalists.)
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To: quidnunc
I'm reminded of a colloquy I heard in a Los Angeles courtroom about 20 years ago.

JUDGE (to an attorney who was at counsel table but who did not represent a party in the action): "Why are you here?"

ATTORNEY: "I'm here as a friend of the court."

JUDGE: "You aren't my friend."

6 posted on 04/13/2006 6:10:43 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: quidnunc
The only appropriate treatment for this particular amici brief would be to immediately -- and very publicly -- consign it to File 13.

A polite "Thanks, but no thanks" should be sufficient.

7 posted on 04/13/2006 6:13:01 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: quidnunc
I hope they are stunned when this case is ruled on.

Arrogant idiots.
8 posted on 04/13/2006 6:32:35 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: quidnunc
Methinks its a little like the idea of divining the "intent of Congress" by looking at the Congressional Record. In addition to the relevant debates - Senators and Congressmen litter the record with tons of extraneous crap that was never uttered on the floor in debate ("I ask unanimous consent to extend and revise my remarks..."). Scalia has recognized that the Congressional Record is no longer a relevant source - and he has described foreign law traditions as irrelevant to interpretation of the United States Constitution. The proliferation of foreign Amicus briefs just speeds their utter irrelevance.
9 posted on 04/13/2006 6:33:26 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: quidnunc
"... the simple, but crucial, question of whether the system of legal norms that purports to restrain the conduct of states vis-à-vis individuals within their power will survive the terrorist threat."

I'm certain that these giant "statesmen" meticulously documented the existence and history of this "system of legal norms" that I suspect they pulled out of their prostate location.

Why was this crucial documentation ignored in the article?

10 posted on 04/13/2006 7:22:40 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: George Smiley
Bet ol' John Marshall's running at high RPM about now...

LOL!

Idiots as jurists and legislators?
This never occured to anyone as being possible, prior to 1960...

11 posted on 04/13/2006 7:24:21 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: quidnunc
Now, for the second time, a friend of the court brief has been submitted to the Supreme Court by foreign politicians in a case relating to detainees at Guantánamo, suggesting that constitutional control over foreign policy could be similarly jeopardized.

It would appear that anyone can file these amicus briefs, can any Freepers file us in on how we can send one from FreeRepublic with tens of thousands of signatures?

12 posted on 04/13/2006 7:46:33 PM PDT by RJL
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To: Publius6961
Idiots as jurists and legislators?

This never occured to anyone as being possible, prior to 1960...

Glad you appreciated my post.

I like your tagline, but beg to differ with your statement above:

Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.

---- Mark Twain

A judge is a law student who grades his own papers.

---- H. L. Mencken

A judge is not supposed to know anything about the facts of life until they have been presented in evidence and explained to him at least three times.

---- Lord Chief Justice Parker
13 posted on 04/13/2006 8:00:20 PM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline deliberately targeted journalists.)
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To: Publius6961
Idiots as jurists and legislators?

This never occured to anyone as being possible, prior to 1960...

Glad you appreciated my post.

I like your tagline, but beg to differ with your statement above:

Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.

---- Mark Twain

A judge is a law student who grades his own papers.

---- H. L. Mencken

A judge is not supposed to know anything about the facts of life until they have been presented in evidence and explained to him at least three times.

---- Lord Chief Justice Parker
14 posted on 04/13/2006 8:01:00 PM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline deliberately targeted journalists.)
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To: quidnunc

Two words: NO STANDING


15 posted on 04/14/2006 3:00:03 AM PDT by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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To: Clock King

Should we be *more* like China?


16 posted on 04/15/2006 3:50:52 PM PDT by Dr. Nobel Dynamite
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To: Dr. Nobel Dynamite

No, but it would be nice if we started showing some backbone. Then the rest of world may start to respect us. They would still hate us and blame us, but we wouldn't have massive protests like in the past two weeks.


17 posted on 04/15/2006 4:37:02 PM PDT by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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To: Clock King

How exactly does accepting amici briefs translate to a lack of "backbone"?


18 posted on 04/15/2006 5:24:11 PM PDT by Dr. Nobel Dynamite
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To: Dr. Nobel Dynamite

Because the international body pushing this does not have the best interests of the American people in mind. They just want to pull us down. What, in "international law" should we accept for our local issues? Of the 422 signatories, who are they? When was the election held, and what populations do they represent? These briefs are attempt to influence our courts, not provide a framework for universal human rights.


19 posted on 04/15/2006 6:06:44 PM PDT by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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To: Clock King
Let's get our Supremes to order some of that Swiss, Japanese, and New Zealand immigration law to be passed by our Congress and signed by our exalted President.
20 posted on 04/15/2006 6:18:56 PM PDT by nygoose
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