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George Allen for President? (vanity)
http://www.georgeallen.com/site/c.hgITL5PKJtH/b.1434575/k.BEAC/Home.htm ^

Posted on 04/13/2006 11:58:25 AM PDT by HHKrepublican_2

I was just looking at Allens website for his senate re-election bid, his philosophy on Government is near perfect!! He has an all American family and his wife just has that first lady look to her which complements George's Presidential leadership 'vibe' Any FReepers know more about allen? Is his name being tossed around for 2008?




The Allen Family (left to right): Forrest, Brooke, Susan, George and Tyler


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: allen2006; georgeallen
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To: Ligeia
deepWhy worry about the budget..the borders,,,articulating a conservative vision .....the WOT
The issues you list are vitally important. We were being asked about Allen's positions on the moral issues and were responding to those questions. No one meant to imply that the areas you list aren't critical.


The OP just commented on how nice Allen's family looked.
Of all the threats and issues facing this country the only issue posters discussed was his stance on abortion....with a little gay marriage thrown in.

I can bring up that in 08 voters will have deep concerns over the budget..the borders,,,articulating a conservative vision. Whether the man or woman we elect has the leadership skills to ride out a crisis.
When it comes to Allen I see someone who has a famous daddy and let's just say he didn't have to work his way through school.....he is even holding a football on his website. Maybe he will change my mind in the next 2 years. I'd like to see some history of overcoming a crisis.

But to the posters on this thread there is only one issue...abortion.


That will not be the case for the majority of voters in 08.
161 posted on 04/14/2006 1:21:06 PM PDT by Blackirish (Hillary is angry AND brittle.)
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To: Old_Mil
You're free to promote Allen all you want, but don't be surprised when your guy turns out to be someone to far to the left to get elected.

I've known him and followed his career for over 20 years. I'm not worried.

I've read and seen his positions on all the issues you've mentioned. I'm not worried.

162 posted on 04/14/2006 2:56:44 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Has the Bauer body count exceeded the Clinton body count?)
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To: Oliver Optic
If so, isn't that a bit different from Bush, Frist, McCain, and most other Republican pro-lifers, who (at least in theory) oppose all abortions except for rape, incest, life of mother?

I believe that is his personal understanding of where life begins. But I also know his pro-life record, banning government funding for employee abortions, pushing four years to get the ~right~ parental notification through the Virginia General Assembly, voting against partial birth abortion and more are as consistently pro-life as any candidate out there.

I'm not sure what else I can say. There is no pure, without exception pro-life candidate that has a prayer of getting to the White House.

163 posted on 04/14/2006 2:59:51 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Has the Bauer body count exceeded the Clinton body count?)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Thanks for the reply ... I think his views on this are in for a lot of scrutiny in the months ahead.

My take is ... there's no question Allen is an strong ally of the pro-life movement.

And he is, in my opinion, about ten times more likely to appoint staunch conservative judges than Rudy, McCain, Condi, or Romney.

164 posted on 04/14/2006 3:06:36 PM PDT by Oliver Optic
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To: Blackirish; Ligeia; Coop
When it comes to Allen I see someone who has a famous daddy and let's just say he didn't have to work his way through school.....he is even holding a football on his website.

I hesitate to even respond since it's just your usual whining.

George Allen got his BA in History in 1974 from the University of Virginia and his JD in 1977 also from UVA. Unless your a Kennedy, your Daddy doesn't help you through UVA.

Plus, if you know anything about professional football, you know that in the 60s and 70s salaries were nothing like they are today.

As for holding a football. Well he happens to be a former football player with a career cut short in college due to a knee injury. He loves the game. His dad loved the game.

If your worst criticism of him is "he's holding a football on his web site" then you really, seriously, need to get a life of your own.

165 posted on 04/14/2006 3:17:42 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Has the Bauer body count exceeded the Clinton body count?)
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To: Blackirish; Corin Stormhands
I'd like to see some history of overcoming a crisis.

In the governor's race ('93?) Allen was polling over 30 points behind Mary Sue Terry and came back to whup her! How's that?!?

166 posted on 04/14/2006 3:21:29 PM PDT by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: Corin Stormhands
If your worst criticism of him is "he's holding a football on his web site" then you really, seriously, need to get a life of your own


No... thats far from my worst criticism ..it just sorta plays into the whole privaleged ,inarticulate jock thing.

And if being a "cheerleader' for Allen is getting a...
167 posted on 04/14/2006 3:26:33 PM PDT by Blackirish (Hillary is angry AND brittle.)
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To: Blackirish; Ligeia; Coop
I'd like to see some history of overcoming a crisis.

Not exactly a crisis per se, but one of my favorite George Allen moments was the beginning of the 1995 General Assembly session. Things were pretty contentious.

The House adjourned the first day without the formal procedure for inviting Allen to the chamber to make his State of the Union Address. That had ~never~ been done.

Allen went on anyway and gave it from his office. The RATS looked like fools and within two election cycles, had lost control of both chambers.

168 posted on 04/14/2006 3:29:00 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Has the Bauer body count exceeded the Clinton body count?)
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To: Blackirish
..it just sorta plays into the whole privaleged ,inarticulate jock thing.

Well once again, that doesn't describe him.

But, he could spell it.

169 posted on 04/14/2006 3:30:02 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Has the Bauer body count exceeded the Clinton body count?)
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To: Coop
Wow! he beat uh ...who uhhh Oh ..."Mary Sue Terry"

That ranks right up there with McCaine standing up to 5 years of VC torture.

Guliane taking down the mob...cleaning up NYC and leading the country through 9/11.

Or even Newt leading the Repubs to a historic victory in 94.

but don't worry he's a... "good ol boy" who doesn't like abortions ..and thats all that matters.
170 posted on 04/14/2006 3:35:14 PM PDT by Blackirish (Hillary is angry AND brittle.)
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To: Blackirish; Coop
Wow! he beat uh ...who uhhh Oh ..."Mary Sue Terry"

In Virginia, in 1993 it was pretty amazing. I watched it happen.

171 posted on 04/14/2006 3:38:47 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Has the Bauer body count exceeded the Clinton body count?)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Not exactly a crisis per se, but one of my favorite George Allen moments was the beginning of the 1995 General Assembly session. Things were pretty contentious.

The House adjourned the first day without the formal procedure for inviting Allen to the chamber to make his State of the Union Address. That had ~never~ been done.

Allen went on anyway and gave it from his office. The RATS looked like fools and within two election cycles, had lost control of both chambers.


Well at least is the 1st real argument made on this thread that could show he has leadership potential.
172 posted on 04/14/2006 3:38:47 PM PDT by Blackirish (Hillary is angry AND brittle.)
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To: Blackirish

"at least that is"


173 posted on 04/14/2006 3:39:52 PM PDT by Blackirish (Hillary is angry AND brittle.)
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To: Blackirish
Well at least is the 1st real argument made on this thread that could show he has leadership potential.

Only because you're not paying attention. I posted this yesterday

174 posted on 04/14/2006 3:40:22 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Has the Bauer body count exceeded the Clinton body count?)
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To: Blackirish
Of all the threats and issues facing this country the only issue posters discussed was his stance on abortion....with a little gay marriage thrown in.

You forgot the matter of the guest worker amnesty that he supports. The bottom line is that he has flip flopped on too many issues. Furthermore, there are far too many beltway types in Virginia for me to feel comfortable voting for a Presidential candidate that they felt comfortable enough with to send to Washington as a senator.
175 posted on 04/14/2006 3:46:06 PM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: Blackirish; Corin Stormhands

Okay, enough with the lecture on VA senators. How's about we all discuss Illinois Republican U.S. senators for a while. I've blocked an hour. Or should I make it 90 minutes?


176 posted on 04/14/2006 3:48:53 PM PDT by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: Old_Mil; Blackirish; Coop; Ligeia
You forgot the matter of the guest worker amnesty that he supports.

Maybe because you're just making that up.

Throughout this debate I've consistently said the legislative priority should be to secure the borders and stop the flow of illegal entry. That fundamental responsibility must be addressed. Congress should move to forge both a stable and consistent legal immigration policy and a responsive legal-temporary-worker plan, but no plan should reward illegal behavior. That's why I just cannot support the convoluted three-tiered amnesty deal that was brokered last week because it rewards illegal behavior.

...So the question is, what should we do? My view is secure the borders. Everything from unmanned vehicles, to virtual fences, to actual fences, more personnel, detention centers. The places where you need an actual fence are where you have a big inflow. There are other places where you could use unmanned aerial vehicles and these unattended ground sensors. ... The point is to secure the border, and with more personnel, with more technology, and with more actual fences, we will stem the flow. Because unless we control our borders we will not be able to control our destiny as a nation...
One Tough Border Collie U.S. News and World Report. April 17, 2006 issue.

Just because he doesn't say box-em-up and ship-em-home doesn't mean he supports amnesty. It is simply fantasy to believe that we will EVER deport 10 million illegals.

They're here. And we have to deal with that because we haven't in the past.

If you believe otherwise, what you're smokin' is just as illegal as they are.

177 posted on 04/14/2006 3:55:15 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Has the Bauer body count exceeded the Clinton body count?)
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To: Coop
OK ..I'll tell you what I think. Dick Durbin is stupid ..really stupid.... stuck on stupid. As in I think he has a low 90's high 80's IQ. How he got threw college and then law school and into the Senate while remaining so stupid is a great mystery.
178 posted on 04/14/2006 3:57:00 PM PDT by Blackirish (Hillary is angry AND brittle.)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Just because he doesn't say box-em-up and ship-em-home doesn't mean he supports amnesty. It is simply fantasy to believe that we will EVER deport 10 million illegals.



You are right there ...you can't round up lttle old illegal Mexican grandmothers and toss them over the Rio Grande....but would Allen consider a fence?

Not a virtual one ...a fence.
179 posted on 04/14/2006 4:01:06 PM PDT by Blackirish (Hillary is angry AND brittle.)
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To: Blackirish
I'm sorry, is English not your first language?

This was his quote in the post you responded to:

My view is secure the borders. Everything from unmanned vehicles, to virtual fences, to actual fences, more personnel, detention centers. The places where you need an actual fence are where you have a big inflow. There are other places where you could use unmanned aerial vehicles and these unattended ground sensors. ... The point is to secure the border, and with more personnel, with more technology, and with more actual fences, we will stem the flow.

Is that enough fence for you?

180 posted on 04/14/2006 4:09:15 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Has the Bauer body count exceeded the Clinton body count?)
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