George Allen for President? (vanity)

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[Blackirish]

deepWhy worry about the budget..the borders,,,articulating a conservative vision .....the WOT
The issues you list are vitally important. We were being asked about Allen's positions on the moral issues and were responding to those questions. No one meant to imply that the areas you list aren't critical.

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The OP just commented on how nice Allen's family looked.
Of all the threats and issues facing this country the only issue posters discussed was his stance on abortion....with a little gay marriage thrown in.

I can bring up that in 08 voters will have deep concerns over the budget..the borders,,,articulating a conservative vision. Whether the man or woman we elect has the leadership skills to ride out a crisis.
When it comes to Allen I see someone who has a famous daddy and let's just say he didn't have to work his way through school.....he is even holding a football on his website. Maybe he will change my mind in the next 2 years. I'd like to see some history of overcoming a crisis.

But to the posters on this thread there is only one issue...abortion.


That will not be the case for the majority of voters in 08.

[Corin Stormhands]

You're free to promote Allen all you want, but don't be surprised when your guy turns out to be someone to far to the left to get elected.

I've known him and followed his career for over 20 years. I'm not worried.

I've read and seen his positions on all the issues you've mentioned. I'm not worried.

[Corin Stormhands]

If so, isn't that a bit different from Bush, Frist, McCain, and most other Republican pro-lifers, who (at least in theory) oppose all abortions except for rape, incest, life of mother?

I believe that is his personal understanding of where life begins. But I also know his pro-life record, banning government funding for employee abortions, pushing four years to get the ~right~ parental notification through the Virginia General Assembly, voting against partial birth abortion and more are as consistently pro-life as any candidate out there.

I'm not sure what else I can say. There is no pure, without exception pro-life candidate that has a prayer of getting to the White House.

[Oliver Optic]

Thanks for the reply ... I think his views on this are in for a lot of scrutiny in the months ahead.

My take is ... there's no question Allen is an strong ally of the pro-life movement.

And he is, in my opinion, about ten times more likely to appoint staunch conservative judges than Rudy, McCain, Condi, or Romney.

[Corin Stormhands]

When it comes to Allen I see someone who has a famous daddy and let's just say he didn't have to work his way through school.....he is even holding a football on his website.

I hesitate to even respond since it's just your usual whining.

George Allen got his BA in History in 1974 from the University of Virginia and his JD in 1977 also from UVA. Unless your a Kennedy, your Daddy doesn't help you through UVA.

Plus, if you know anything about professional football, you know that in the 60s and 70s salaries were nothing like they are today.

As for holding a football. Well he happens to be a former football player with a career cut short in college due to a knee injury. He loves the game. His dad loved the game.

If your worst criticism of him is "he's holding a football on his web site" then you really, seriously, need to get a life of your own.

[Coop]

I'd like to see some history of overcoming a crisis.

In the governor's race ('93?) Allen was polling over 30 points behind Mary Sue Terry and came back to whup her! How's that?!?

[Blackirish]

If your worst criticism of him is "he's holding a football on his web site" then you really, seriously, need to get a life of your own

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No... thats far from my worst criticism ..it just sorta plays into the whole privaleged ,inarticulate jock thing.

And if being a "cheerleader' for Allen is getting a...

[Corin Stormhands]

I'd like to see some history of overcoming a crisis.

Not exactly a crisis per se, but one of my favorite George Allen moments was the beginning of the 1995 General Assembly session. Things were pretty contentious.

The House adjourned the first day without the formal procedure for inviting Allen to the chamber to make his State of the Union Address. That had ~never~ been done.

Allen went on anyway and gave it from his office. The RATS looked like fools and within two election cycles, had lost control of both chambers.

[Corin Stormhands]

..it just sorta plays into the whole privaleged ,inarticulate jock thing.

Well once again, that doesn't describe him.

But, he could spell it.

[Blackirish]

Wow! he beat uh ...who uhhh Oh ..."Mary Sue Terry"

That ranks right up there with McCaine standing up to 5 years of VC torture.

Guliane taking down the mob...cleaning up NYC and leading the country through 9/11.

Or even Newt leading the Repubs to a historic victory in 94.

but don't worry he's a... "good ol boy" who doesn't like abortions ..and thats all that matters.

[Corin Stormhands]

Wow! he beat uh ...who uhhh Oh ..."Mary Sue Terry"

In Virginia, in 1993 it was pretty amazing. I watched it happen.

[Blackirish]

Not exactly a crisis per se, but one of my favorite George Allen moments was the beginning of the 1995 General Assembly session. Things were pretty contentious.

The House adjourned the first day without the formal procedure for inviting Allen to the chamber to make his State of the Union Address. That had ~never~ been done.

Allen went on anyway and gave it from his office. The RATS looked like fools and within two election cycles, had lost control of both chambers.

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Well at least is the 1st real argument made on this thread that could show he has leadership potential.

[Blackirish]

"at least that is"

[Corin Stormhands]

Well at least is the 1st real argument made on this thread that could show he has leadership potential.

Only because you're not paying attention. I posted this yesterday

[Old_Mil]

Of all the threats and issues facing this country the only issue posters discussed was his stance on abortion....with a little gay marriage thrown in.

You forgot the matter of the guest worker amnesty that he supports. The bottom line is that he has flip flopped on too many issues. Furthermore, there are far too many beltway types in Virginia for me to feel comfortable voting for a Presidential candidate that they felt comfortable enough with to send to Washington as a senator.

[Coop]

Okay, enough with the lecture on VA senators. How's about we all discuss Illinois Republican U.S. senators for a while. I've blocked an hour. Or should I make it 90 minutes?

[Corin Stormhands]

You forgot the matter of the guest worker amnesty that he supports.

Maybe because you're just making that up.

Throughout this debate I've consistently said the legislative priority should be to secure the borders and stop the flow of illegal entry. That fundamental responsibility must be addressed. Congress should move to forge both a stable and consistent legal immigration policy and a responsive legal-temporary-worker plan, but no plan should reward illegal behavior. That's why I just cannot support the convoluted three-tiered amnesty deal that was brokered last week because it rewards illegal behavior.

...So the question is, what should we do? My view is secure the borders. Everything from unmanned vehicles, to virtual fences, to actual fences, more personnel, detention centers. The places where you need an actual fence are where you have a big inflow. There are other places where you could use unmanned aerial vehicles and these unattended ground sensors. ... The point is to secure the border, and with more personnel, with more technology, and with more actual fences, we will stem the flow. Because unless we control our borders we will not be able to control our destiny as a nation...
One Tough Border Collie U.S. News and World Report. April 17, 2006 issue.

Just because he doesn't say box-em-up and ship-em-home doesn't mean he supports amnesty. It is simply fantasy to believe that we will EVER deport 10 million illegals.

They're here. And we have to deal with that because we haven't in the past.

If you believe otherwise, what you're smokin' is just as illegal as they are.

[Blackirish]

OK ..I'll tell you what I think. Dick Durbin is stupid ..really stupid.... stuck on stupid. As in I think he has a low 90's high 80's IQ. How he got threw college and then law school and into the Senate while remaining so stupid is a great mystery.

[Blackirish]

Just because he doesn't say box-em-up and ship-em-home doesn't mean he supports amnesty. It is simply fantasy to believe that we will EVER deport 10 million illegals.

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You are right there ...you can't round up lttle old illegal Mexican grandmothers and toss them over the Rio Grande....but would Allen consider a fence?

Not a virtual one ...a fence.

[Corin Stormhands]

I'm sorry, is English not your first language?

This was his quote in the post you responded to:

My view is secure the borders. Everything from unmanned vehicles, to virtual fences, to actual fences, more personnel, detention centers. The places where you need an actual fence are where you have a big inflow. There are other places where you could use unmanned aerial vehicles and these unattended ground sensors. ... The point is to secure the border, and with more personnel, with more technology, and with more actual fences, we will stem the flow.

Is that enough fence for you?