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George Allen for President? (vanity)
http://www.georgeallen.com/site/c.hgITL5PKJtH/b.1434575/k.BEAC/Home.htm ^

Posted on 04/13/2006 11:58:25 AM PDT by HHKrepublican_2

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To: quantim
Uh, it's called a RINO train.

Uh, I know that. That doesn't change the fact that it was rolling through and our best option was to get the best (lousy) deal that we could.

And trust me, George Allen has the leadership qualities. He exhibited them as Governor and as Chair of the NSRC.

121 posted on 04/14/2006 7:16:53 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Has the Bauer body count exceeded the Clinton body count?)
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To: quantim
Yep, and it's as clear as day to you and I. For the life of me, I cannot understand how the Republicans can continue on their current path, knowing how disgruntled their base is. They must think that when voting time comes around, the alternative will be so horrible that we'll have no other choice. That's basically how I flowed in '00 and '04, but not again. Honestly, how different would it be if Kerry had been elected?
122 posted on 04/14/2006 7:17:51 AM PDT by beeler ("When you’re running down my country, Hoss you’re walking on the fighting side of me.")
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To: Old_Mil

Sen. George Allen (R.-Va.) answered that he would not rule out legalizing illegals.
http://www.dailypundit.com/2006/03/


This makes him unacceptable to me.


123 posted on 04/14/2006 7:18:07 AM PDT by WhiteGuy ("Every Generation needs a new revolution" - Jefferson)
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To: Corin Stormhands

If you don't understand that politics is all about give and take, you really shouldn't be involved.


I've come to this conclusion too..................

I'm just a citizen, a tax payer, and a voter.

I'm not a political operative anymore.

I don't want to be involved in politics and I expect my representitives in government to represent me, my family and my neighbors, not just the lobbyists and their masters.

So I'll take your advice and stop being involved.


124 posted on 04/14/2006 7:27:27 AM PDT by WhiteGuy ("Every Generation needs a new revolution" - Jefferson)
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To: WhiteGuy
So I'll take your advice and stop being involved.

Okie doke. Can we consider that your last post?

125 posted on 04/14/2006 7:33:06 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Has the Bauer body count exceeded the Clinton body count?)
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To: Corin Stormhands

You may consider anything you wish.


126 posted on 04/14/2006 7:37:00 AM PDT by WhiteGuy ("Every Generation needs a new revolution" - Jefferson)
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To: HHKrepublican_2

If he is nominated, I will vote for Sen. Allen.

He's not perfect, but he's pretty darned good.


127 posted on 04/14/2006 7:38:30 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: beeler

I'll have to add that it's not just the feds. The RINOism at my state level (MI) is as bad or worse. These republican clowns pull the same stunts as the feds. There are many layers of RINO contempt.


128 posted on 04/14/2006 7:42:55 AM PDT by quantim (If the Constitution were perfect, it wouldn't have included the Senate.)
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To: Sturm Ruger

Dear Sturm Ruger,

I've read before that his preference would be to permit abortions during most of the first trimester of pregnancy.

However, in that he believes the states have a right to restrict abortion as they see fit, he implies that Roe must go.

That'll get him a passing grade from me.


sitetest


129 posted on 04/14/2006 7:52:09 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: birbear

Allen has a gentlemanly, slow, Southern way of speaking which works against him in quick TV soundbites. By the time he's halfway through one sentence, they cut him off. He has to talk faster.


130 posted on 04/14/2006 7:55:57 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Oliver Optic

I'd never seen or heard Allen until a few months ago when I caught the end of a speech of his on C-Span. I missed the speech, actually, but saw him talking to the crowd afterward and he knocked my socks off. I was very impressed and thought, Oh, boy, where have you been all this time? Then saw him on Fox or MSNBC. He was one of several on a panel, supposed to give quick answers to something or other. He hardly opened his mouth and they'd cut him off. Then saw him being questioned outside a senate chamber. Same thing. He'd hardly said Boo, and they cut him off. I came to the conclusion that he needs, really needs, to take a speed talking course. However, he listens to people and treats them with courtesy and dignity. No small thing.


131 posted on 04/14/2006 8:05:20 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Corin Stormhands

I'm heartened by your comments.


132 posted on 04/14/2006 8:06:26 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Corin Stormhands

Virginians are lucky to have Allen as one of their senators. Let's hope and pray -- Please God -- he gets reelected. (I speak -- covered with shame -- from looneytunes MA.)


133 posted on 04/14/2006 8:09:41 AM PDT by hershey
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To: quantim

You're right. Republicans are in trouble because they allowed dems and the MSM to define every issue and then scream lie after lie for weeks and months with little or no rebuttal. However, events may overtake this discussion about coming elections. Iran, for instance. (Less than two weeks to some kind of deadline there.) If we take care of business with Iran, clean up Iraq, if Syria decides to come to heel, if the administration rams through a sensible immigration bill that fixes the border...well, a lot of 'if's'.


134 posted on 04/14/2006 8:16:15 AM PDT by hershey
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To: beeler

You didn't really mean that...'Honestly, how different would it be if Kerry had been elected?' God help us.


135 posted on 04/14/2006 8:18:47 AM PDT by hershey
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To: hershey

Unfortunately, I did.


136 posted on 04/14/2006 8:19:20 AM PDT by beeler ("When you’re running down my country, Hoss you’re walking on the fighting side of me.")
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To: HHKrepublican_2

Allen is my choice! I hope he can overcome the duplistic mccainiacs.


137 posted on 04/14/2006 8:24:49 AM PDT by 2nd Amendment
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To: hershey; beeler
Honestly, how different would it be if Kerry had been elected?

If you view it only from the perspective of legislation it may not be far off, likely better. (Not leadership aspects, of course).   With a Kerry at the helm the house would hold him captive and destroy him rather quickly, the senate will continue its worthlessness.

This is why a Hillary term does not scare me much, again only legislation speaking.  She won't get anything through and I'm not sure that is a bad thing.  Never thought I say this - but her winning is quite possible if conservatives stay home.  We are not going to support RINOs and continue to push the party to the center.

138 posted on 04/14/2006 8:32:20 AM PDT by quantim (If the Constitution were perfect, it wouldn't have included the Senate.)
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To: Old_Mil

George's Presidential leadership 'vibe' Any FReepers know more about allen? Is his name being tossed around for 2008?

On June 15, Sen. George Allen (R-Virginia) horrified his constituents when he cast a vote against family values by adding “sexual orientation” to the Federal Hate Crimes Act. Sen. Allen’s support of the homosexual lobby directly contradicts his promise during his campaign for U.S. Senate in 2000 to oppose pro-homosexual legislation.
http://www.cwfa.org/articles/5883/CFI/family/index.htm

Sen. George Allen (R-Va.) opposes same-sex marriage but has yet to join his GOP colleagues who have come out in support of the Federal Marriage Amendment
http://www.washblade.com/2004/4-16/news/localnews/moran.cfm

Human Events Online wanted to know where Senate Republicans stood on open borders/amnesty, so it asked them:

The key question: Will the Senate approve an amnesty for illegal aliens?

The editors of Human Events define amnesty as granting any kind of legal residency status to an illegal alien without first making him return to his home country.

The immigration bill passed by the House in December does not include an amnesty.

Last week, we asked all 55 Republican senators (via their press secretaries): “Will you rule out voting this year for an immigration reform bill that converts illegal immigrants to legal guest workers without making them return to their home countries first?”

Most did not answer our question, but several senators did respond. We intend to keep asking. You can, too, by using the contact information below.

Sen. George Allen (R.-Va.) answered that he would not rule out legalizing illegals.
http://www.dailypundit.com/2006/03/

Based on this, I'd say that George Allen is not the sort of conservative that we need to nominate in 2008, and that if he was to be nominated, I would not vote for him.




Damn Straight My Friend.

Allen is to the left of Bush on both Social and Fiscal policy. And getting to the Left of Bush on spending is a tough act to do these days.


139 posted on 04/14/2006 8:34:49 AM PDT by Waywardson (Carry on! Nothing equals the splendor!)
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To: Oliver Optic

If pro-life is important to you (as it is to me), you should be aware that Allen has in the past departed a bit from a fully pro-life position.

My understanding is that he has supported legal abortion in the very early stages.

He will need to clarify this ... but as a Senator he has been solidly pro-life ... and there is little doubt that he would appoint strongly conservative judges when the time comes.




Allen is prolife only if there are noticable "brain waves". he is Pro Abortion in other cases. I also heard something, but not confirmed yet, that he said the law in SD was too strict and he would have vetoed it.

That is not a good position if you ask me.


140 posted on 04/14/2006 8:36:52 AM PDT by Waywardson (Carry on! Nothing equals the splendor!)
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