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To: NoStaplesPlease

"But AI, I don't buy it. Just because you link up an astonishing amount of processing power does not mean it's going to eventually become self-aware."

Self-awareness is not the most important question. consider, they already have developed a computer/computer program combination that can play pretty much equal with the best human chess player in the world. Chess used to be considered one of the highest measures of human intelligence. In a short while (if they choose to do it) they can make a computer that can crush any person in chess.

There simply is no limit to this process of development, unfortunately.


22 posted on 04/13/2006 8:13:39 AM PDT by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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To: strategofr
Self-awareness is not the most important question. consider, they already have developed a computer/computer program combination that can play pretty much equal with the best human chess player in the world. Chess used to be considered one of the highest measures of human intelligence.

It's my opinion that that was an invalid experiment. Gary Kasparov is a chess player. His environment is one where he sits down at the chess board across from another player and attempts to win.

Kasparov went into the game against big blue with same mindset he had always had. Play against another chess player.

He lost because that wasn't the game he went into. He went in playing against not a computer, but a programmer. Superficially, it seemed to be the same contest he was familiar with, but in truth it was totally different. It really wasn't a chess game anymore, but something else with chess as the window dressing.

The programmer better understood the rules and the environment of the contest than Kasparov did. If Kasparov had gone in with the mindset of defeating a programmer's toy at chess, there's a much higher chance he'd have won.
30 posted on 04/13/2006 8:44:58 AM PDT by JamesP81 (Socialism is based on how things should be. Capitalism is based on how things are, and deals with it)
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To: strategofr

"Self-awareness is not the most important question."

Well, we already know that computers can outperform us, given a set of instructions. And I suppose that a computer that could write its own program and set of instructions would be quite "intelligent" -- even possibly dangerous.

But it would also lack imagination, no? Or at least would have a limited imagination. We'd still have ingenuity on our side.


42 posted on 04/13/2006 9:12:44 AM PDT by NoStaplesPlease
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To: strategofr
Self-awareness is not the most important question. consider, they already have developed a computer/computer program combination that can play pretty much equal with the best human chess player in the world. Chess used to be considered one of the highest measures of human intelligence. In a short while (if they choose to do it) they can make a computer that can crush any person in chess.

Methinks the programs were and are semi-empirical, based on human knowledge of principles (weighting various configurations as more advantageous), rather than from ab initio.

Cheers!

117 posted on 04/13/2006 7:49:46 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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