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'Honour killing' brother jailed (Two other brothers were cleared.. IN GERMANY)
BBC ^ | Thursday, 13 April 2006.

Posted on 04/13/2006 5:10:18 AM PDT by IrishMike

A 19-year-old Turkish man has been jailed for nine years and three months by a German court for shooting his sister in a so-called "honour killing". Ayhan Surucu had confessed to shooting his sister Hatun Surucu, 23, at a bus stop in a Berlin suburb last year.

Two other brothers were cleared of charges of conspiring to murder her.

Prosecutors said the brothers felt dishonoured by their sister, who lived on her own with her son after leaving a cousin she had been forced to marry.

The death of the 23-year-old shocked Germany and led to street protests by Turkish women.

The Berlin court's presiding judge Michael Degreif said Hatun Surucu was killed "because she lived her life as she saw fit" and had adopted Western ideas of sexual equality, the AFP news agency reports.

It was too much for me. I grabbed the pistol and pulled the trigger

Her killer, Ayhan Surucu, had told the court he shot his sister because he disapproved of her lifestyle and her morals, but added that he regretted his actions.

He said she infuriated him by saying that she had the right to live as she pleased and to sleep with whom she wanted.

"It was too much for me. I grabbed the pistol and pulled the trigger," he told the court in September. "I don't even understand what I did anymore."

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ecc; eu; europe; europeanmuslims; germany; honorkilling; islam; jihad; muslim; muslims; muslimwomen; religion; terrorism; turkey
The MUSLIMIFICATION of Europe on Display !
1 posted on 04/13/2006 5:10:21 AM PDT by IrishMike
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To: jk4hc4

Don't blame the jurists. These are the typical sentences liberal germany passes out to murders.

I'm sure they will let him out after 5 years, or tomorrow if another german islamist coluding with iraqi terrorists fakes their kidnapping.


3 posted on 04/13/2006 5:30:16 AM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: IrishMike
"Her killer...had told the court he shot his sister because he disapproved of her lifestyle and her morals"

I wonder if she disapproved of his lifestyle and his morals.

I do.

Sexual promiscuity is bad. Murder is worse. And his idea of honor is in fact dishonor.

4 posted on 04/13/2006 5:31:31 AM PDT by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President Bush and his surveillance program.)
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To: IrishMike
The killing led to a wide debate in Germany about Honor killings.

I can understand a debate regarding whether forced marriages to first cousins should be tolerated, but I can't imagine what there is to debate about cold blooded murder.

5 posted on 04/13/2006 6:19:03 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: layman

If Europe bends any further 'pandering' to muslims, something is going to break.


6 posted on 04/13/2006 6:21:21 AM PDT by IrishMike (Dry Powder is a plus)
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To: IrishMike
...something is going to break

it already broke.

7 posted on 04/13/2006 6:37:00 AM PDT by Taggart_D
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To: IrishMike
Europe really is a lost cause. This verdict is beyond disgusting. Plus what is ironic is no feminists will complain, even though Germany has virtually legalized killing women, so long as she and you are Muslims. Liberals talk of women's rights is all BS. Islam appears to be the biggest threat to women today.
8 posted on 04/13/2006 6:40:14 AM PDT by gafusa
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To: gafusa

""Islam appears to be the biggest threat to women today""

ISLAM is showing itself to be a threat to western civilization ..period.


9 posted on 04/13/2006 6:58:27 AM PDT by IrishMike (Dry Powder is a plus)
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To: IrishMike
who lived on her own with her son after leaving a cousin she had been forced to marry

Cue Banjo Music... Fade... Cut!

10 posted on 04/13/2006 7:07:02 AM PDT by Triggerhippie (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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To: IrishMike

Hey...at least they are "debating honor killings" now...


11 posted on 04/13/2006 9:40:46 AM PDT by FBD (surf's up!)
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To: layman
Well, for example, you can debate whether to go cold bloodedly murder everyone who thinks like this, on principle.
12 posted on 04/13/2006 9:43:22 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

>"Don't blame the jurists. These are the typical sentences liberal germany passes out to murders."<

Well, c'mon... the murderer did say he: "regretted his actions" <:o


13 posted on 04/13/2006 9:43:46 AM PDT by FBD (surf's up!)
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To: IrishMike

I am not so sure. Islam is dangerous no doubt, but they are just puppets, Russia and China, along with the Islamic elites, who may not believe in Islam at all, at least by their lifestyle, are using Islam as a weapon. I think we may tend to focus so much on Islam, when the real threat is a new world order planned by the members of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, along with liberal western elites and the Islamic elites. All 3 have announced their dislike of the current order, and are using Islam, either purposefully or unconsciously, to tear down the existing order. The SCO is the biggest threat, they made Islam the threat it is, and the ones that are in control. Islam, like the UN is just a puppet of Russia and China. Islam is just the means to a terrifying end, but Islam is just a dangerous ans destructive tool, it is not the real threat, those that wield it are.


14 posted on 04/13/2006 10:28:46 AM PDT by gafusa
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To: gafusa

""Islam, like the UN is just a puppet of Russia and China. Islam is just the means to a terrifying end""

I read your post two or three times, very strong..
And lots to digest.
Thanks.


15 posted on 04/13/2006 10:32:19 AM PDT by IrishMike (Dry Powder is a plus)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

"Don't blame the jurists. These are the typical sentences liberal germany passes out to murders."

That has little to do with liberalism, but rather the concept of the "Jugendstrafe" (~youth penalty) in Germany, where minors and adolescents up to 20 years of age face a maximum sentence of 10 years. So 9 1/4 years is almost the maximum sentence possible under German law.

But considering that murder for adults carries a mandatory life sentence (either with the possibility of parole after 15 years or without in cases of "besondere Schwere der Schuld", which is the equivalent of 1st degree murder) in Germany the time served in prison for murder is on average not significantly lower than in the US. FACT!

Plus: The brothers were indeed not cleared, there was just not enough substantial evidence to sentence them. Acquittal due to reasonable doubt, not because of proven innocence.


16 posted on 04/13/2006 10:57:49 AM PDT by wolf78
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